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Rdeči kup and NW Ridge of Planjava

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dprapr26. 06. 2015 22:44:07
For several years, brother Vinko wanted to approach this summit, which looks more like Šivanka's ear than a two-thousander on the list he's completing.
He wanted it, I didn't want it too much! Mainly because of the extremely thin and crumbly ridge. Already in PV 1962, July, I read how the first climber told the other: You just stay down there so it doesn't collapse. Something like that, if I remember correctly. And such a summit doesn't attract me. But the time had also ripened for it and today I really enjoyed it up there. Of course I was more involved in belaying than photographing...
For it we chose an interesting approach along the NW ridge of Planjava. From the real "eagle's nest" in the ridge we pushed through a suspicious traverse, gully and chamois tracks to Rdeči kup. We hit it almost spot on.
Already to it, after a short downward ridge section, it's very exposed and crumbly. From the belay stance we set up (we left one peg for someone else), we climbed about 30m to it - to the peg at the window.
At the start the ridge is still nice, then it becomes extremely crumbly and... I've never climbed narrower. Back down we sort of rode it. No worries, no injuries except scratches, because the balls (oops) were tougher than the ridge. It was crumbling all over. A couple more pitches and it'll be "worn out".big grin
From Rdeči kup we continued straight up the steep narrow gully and through passages between large "boulders" approached back to the ridge, which showed its teeth a couple more times. When you think it's all over, another steep feature appears. But that didn't bother us, we just enjoyed. We didn't go to the main summit of Planjava because we had already slid down the scree to the marked path... and via Kamniško sedlo and Okrešelj to the valley.

Today we spent a day you don't forget and partly don't want to repeat (Rdeči kup).
Rdeči kup and NW Ridge of Planjava In the morning at Rinka.1
Rdeči kup and NW Ridge of Planjava Mountains above Okrešelj.2
Rdeči kup and NW Ridge of Planjava Towards Kamniško sedlo and a view of the beautiful ridge.3
Rdeči kup and NW Ridge of Planjava Here we climbed up to the ridge.4
Rdeči kup and NW Ridge of Planjava Nice view of Logarska.5
Rdeči kup and NW Ridge of Planjava And on my favourite peaks.6
Rdeči kup and NW Ridge of Planjava From here we traversed across and down towards Rdeči kup.7
Rdeči kup and NW Ridge of Planjava Still posing.8
Rdeči kup and NW Ridge of Planjava And we are already almost there.9
Rdeči kup and NW Ridge of Planjava Doesn't it look like Šivankina's ear?10
Rdeči kup and NW Ridge of Planjava Steep and crumbly access.11
Rdeči kup and NW Ridge of Planjava We're already processing it. Photo: V. Praprotnik12
Rdeči kup and NW Ridge of Planjava ... Photo: V. Praprotnik.13
Rdeči kup and NW Ridge of Planjava Crumbly.14
Rdeči kup and NW Ridge of Planjava Exposed.15
Rdeči kup and NW Ridge of Planjava And narrow, which isn't even visible in the picture.16
Rdeči kup and NW Ridge of Planjava Today it was only ours.17
Rdeči kup and NW Ridge of Planjava Today and never again.18
Rdeči kup and NW Ridge of Planjava Climbing to the ridge via a steep gully.19
Rdeči kup and NW Ridge of Planjava And further on the occasionally exposed SZ ridge of Planjava.20
Rdeči kup and NW Ridge of Planjava Today Kamniški Dedec is nicely visible, last time it wrapped itself in fog when we were up there with my wife.21
Rdeči kup and NW Ridge of Planjava Still steep.22
Rdeči kup and NW Ridge of Planjava And partly crumbly too.23
Rdeči kup and NW Ridge of Planjava Rdeči kup already deep below.24
Rdeči kup and NW Ridge of Planjava The ridge is behind us too after 7 hours from Rinka.25
Rdeči kup and NW Ridge of Planjava Here we secured it and went down.26
Rdeči kup and NW Ridge of Planjava Another view from the marked path to the mrcina.27
Rdeči kup and NW Ridge of Planjava And over Kamniško sedlo into the valley.28
Rdeči kup and NW Ridge of Planjava There was still time to photograph the flowers.29
Rdeči kup and NW Ridge of Planjava We approached here somewhere...30
Rdeči kup and NW Ridge of Planjava ...to Rdeči kup and continued to the ridge of Planjava.31
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jaz26. 06. 2015 22:59:02
Congratulations! Regards!
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skalaš7026. 06. 2015 23:06:31
Bravo and congrats for the executed approach, and pics are awesome!nasmeh Stay safe ahead...
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Dr.ejči27. 06. 2015 08:04:23
Craaaazy!...Bravo!
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jedriličar27. 06. 2015 08:14:43
Bravo, Drago nasmeh Nice ... that tower is really a ruin ... doesn't pull me up ...
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trma55527. 06. 2015 15:53:10
Super that you two reworked it instead of me. Congrats, and I'm not jealous at all!nasmeh
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dprapr29. 06. 2015 10:26:32
Thanks everyone, although for such "audacious" climbing I don't really deserve congrats, rather a reprimand.
Since I mentioned the article from PV(B. Režek) above and it wasn't quite as I wrote from memory, now below I quote part of his article:

"I didn't linger, just looked to slip back as soon as possible. In the notch
I sighed when standing safe again, as on the edge I had
the feeling the whole Red Dome was swaying like a factory chimney top. So I
advised Belač not to climb up, and he himself thanked for such
dubious pleasure."
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Am Shagar29. 06. 2015 10:36:28
Crazy.eekCongrats.
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coffee19. 10. 2017 18:58:20
Today from Logarska to Kamniško sedlo and then to Planjava via NW ridge.

I expected (and feared) it would be more exposed on the Logarska side, but except for the annoying ramp in the first part, no big deal. Chimney/gully in the middle has a slightly harder step. Otherwise the ridge on a nice sunny day like today offers good climbing fun, if you stick to it fully in the upper part, not like smart me zigzagging left and right. :>
path - from memory; behind, part of the ridge is still hidden1
Entry gully2
end of the gully, I went directly towards the jammed rock in the notch3
demanding exposed ramp from above4
and from below5
across the scree of the peaks to the summit and descent into the chimney6
down left to the scree where the chimney starts7
more demanding step (middle of the picture) when the chimney widens to the left8
here right towards ...9
to the little tower and around10
Further along the ridge11
along the lower ledge to the renewed ascent12
View back13
view ahead14
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here it makes sense to continue along the ridge to the left16
I had the brilliant idea of descent and ascent over the red part, followed by scrambling17
there it didn't work so I went left to the ridge; if you stick to the ridge you reach this nice path18
continuing up here and right19
again on the sunny side20
last part of the ridge and ...21
I am on the western summit of Planjava22
rošca23
hello!24
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dprapr19. 10. 2017 20:01:02
I've already heard a mountain guide's opinion that this ridge is unjustly neglected, although it can be an excellent guiding tour. It would probably be more desirable if Kamniško sedlo with mass visits wasn't right next to it.
It will have to be traversed and climbed fully sometime.

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coffee19. 10. 2017 20:23:11
It's also neglected a bit because it's directly on the other side of Šija. smile
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dprapr19. 10. 2017 20:55:22

In my opinion, more like Zeleniške špice.
But it can't compare to Šija Brane, neither in difficulty nor in length.
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Wine20. 10. 2017 09:41:13
Drago, is this NW ridge of Planjava (without climbing Rdeči kup) technically more demanding than Zeleniške špice?
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dprapr20. 10. 2017 12:57:28
Yes, technically and orientation-wise. Also on poorer rock. Although I haven't climbed it fully (middle part missing), I can say that Zeleniške špice are a textbook ridge example, this ridge has all properties of a real ridge (except rappels). Only the proximity of the crowded Kamniško sedlo spoils it and takes away its value.
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redbull26. 09. 2021 11:00:35
Brana and NW Ridge of Planjava (25.09.21)

It was just after 5:00 when Denis and I started walking from the half-empty parking lot below Rinka. With steady walking you're at Okrešelj in no time. We checked out that wonder being built and it will really be great. All praise to the workers and donors as now there will really be a proper modernized bivouac. We've finally stepped out of that Balkan tradition. We need to slowly approach European standards. The headlamp was still "shining" on our heads, but we turned it off in the steepness towards the wall. We directed it right into Kotliška grapa. There was some fallen timber, but that's minor. Along the marked path we go left to the place where snow lasts longest in winter. Here we put on helmets and after not long thinking we bite into the climbing. Start is III, but difficulty decreases with height and rock is also easier. We exit onto the lower part of the roof. There was some breeze. The view certainly wandered to the neighboring Gospodična and its NW ridge. We don't go on tours headlong, without info such routes are unfeasible. At the saddle of course happy Iztok and his coffee that gives new impetus. We weren't in a hurry as we were almost 2h ahead of my planned time. By nine we're already standing at the popular pointed crones and looking at that nice wall. We traversed right, beaten path and right after we see up the scree gully. We didn't push the scree but nicely climbed the right side almost II+ and arrived above the jammed rock as proper. We're on the ridge and already here you see continuation along the ramp on the left above Logarska dolina. Guides surely take them too as there are quite some pegs in it. I'd say it's not a boring ramp at all, you can't get better quality rock than we did here. If attentive you see good crampon prints, so some winter visits here too. Just up, follows short descent into notch to scree. From here up the gully, nice climbing to perhaps the hardest part. Pegs are in, I'd rate III+. After climbing the chimney we reach level ground under our feet. Everything opens up, here is the only fallen cairn. According to many there are quite a few, or even guides say they lead under the main ridge right on easy terrain and later ascend back to ridge. We won't cheat, so nothing but original. We're already on the ridge which we reach left upward in a few minutes. It's really nice. You have to stick to the ridge, right away airy rock greets you but holds are so good I wouldn't give this part a three. Often you don't see continuation but when you reach top it's all nicely linked. You have to know beforehand what you're getting into. Here and there the route overhangs to Logarska side but not too demanding. Rdeči kup deep below, good job Drago you had the desire for it. Short section similar to saw but not comparable to that between Dimniki and Luknja Peč. Ridge isn't short, it's really long traverse all from crones at saddle. Real cairn appears only shortly before West summit of Planjava. Deserved handshake at top. View back shows only about 50% of whole ridge from crones, other 50 hidden behind. I dreamed of sandwich and at top with the box we enjoyed snack. Quite hard to find free spot as summit with box was nicely besieged. Didn't expect such rock and can say in KSA I haven't met such good yet. Description, good orientation, above all nice weather is condition for tour. Descent we do to scissors and down via Grlo. It was nice descent, especially for later time. Morning ascent there would probably need ice axe due to wet grass, bushes. We traverse to forest to our morning start. For interest I say that in morning hours some pearls parked cars so that there was bus column, no space to leave. We found way a bit and drove down differently. Someone looked strange but soon realized we were the only smart ones there at moment. If they don't lift cars by hand they can stand in line till tomorrow, question arises what if owners bivouac somewhere today?
Well, it was really nice warm Saturday full of climbing pleasure, oh and heavenly beer in Logarski Kot I mustn't forget to mention.
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down there, where the snow lasts longest, we leave the marked path and head up3
easier terrain4
around and...5
up to the exit...6
to the roof7
Dam8
Kamniško sedlo and behind it our planned direction for today9
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Soon the scree gully appears, along it, we a bit more to the right on nice rock.11
Already above the jammed rock step.12
Immediately the continuation caught my eye, nicely visible ramp on the left.13
from below14
from above15
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Still remains of wood, probably warmed up there.17
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careful descent into the gap, to the scree section and...19
up20
concrete chimney, I'd rate it perhaps a bit more than III, it is equipped21
easier terrain22
We go left onto the main ridge23
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Without good rock or holds, the first ascent would be difficult right away25
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Mini Šivankino uho next to the route28
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Rdeči kup below, Drago you really liked it for it - kapodol31
From below32
from above33
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Short section of the saw35
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And we are on the Western summit of Planjava39
View back at about 50% of the visible part of the entire ridge from bab40
Towards the notch41
Across Grlo42
Up there we were scrambling around43
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Waiting for the ascent in the snow45
Traverse to the path towards the car46
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dprapr26. 09. 2021 17:06:32
"Rdeči kup deep below, good job Drago, you had the desire for it."
I didn't have it, but it had to be ticked off the two-thousanders list.smile
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zokipoki26. 09. 2021 20:04:49
Super Dejan, you guys really nailed this one! Congrats and best regards!
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Dr_Ursic28. 09. 2021 09:07:16
Nice Deyko and Denis. Bravo! coolbig grin
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