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| palček plezalček30. 11. 2017 21:26:11 |
Dprapr didn't write that the state paid anything, but enabled, which is not the same. It's good to read carefully and understand correctly.
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| palček plezalček30. 11. 2017 21:26:52 |
Ah, obviously it was already answered.
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| VanSims1. 12. 2017 06:31:17 |
In what sense did it enable? If he's not a tycoon, politician, socialist or maybe some other category that gets more from the state than invests in it, he enabled the trip himself! I don't know what the state and standard have to do with it here, since people from countries with lower standard also travel, just most more modestly, some even more luxuriously.
All of us who don't belong to the above categories enable our trips ourselves. We invest more in the state than we get from it and it rather blocks some trip for us.
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| grega_z_brega1. 12. 2017 21:07:54 |
In the sense:
In some countries the only trip enabled to citizens is a walk with a pot on the head through monkeys and lions for non-potable water.
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| b.k.2. 12. 2017 09:56:21 |
We live in an incredibly super country, we don't need to go with "a pot on the head through monkeys and lions for non-potable water". If we're satisfied with that and it seems most are, then there's no help for us.
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| VanSims2. 12. 2017 11:51:57 |
We didn't understand each other regarding the meaning of 'enable'. I misunderstood because I think the state doesn't enable it by itself. In every capitalist country, especially those that don't even reach average Western standard, there are those who can't afford such a trip and those for whom it would be pocket change. It mainly depends on the individual or in a healthy society it should be.
Standard does depend to some extent on the country. But it mainly depends on geographical, historical, geopolitical... factors, and the international position and situation depend on people's mentality and above all their diligence and work ethic and more.
@b.k.: Of course it's right that we're not satisfied with the current and want more. That's the driver of development. It's different if this dissatisfaction turns into whining and lamenting how bad we have it. That's counterproductive. As I wrote above: let those go live in Asia for a year and they'll see...
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| Tomazp2. 12. 2017 13:17:58 |
Bojan A. I wish you many more runs around various parts of the world. And don't worry about this Slovenian poverty. Some save for (extensions), others prefer to go a bit around the world. 
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| Bojan_A2. 12. 2017 14:14:08 |
@ Thanks Tomazp. I know.
I like to mess around a bit.
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| dprapr2. 12. 2017 15:20:04 |
Tomazp, nothing wrong with going "a bit around the world". Especially when young. We all did it, some more, some less.
And no one gave him "fovš". But if he posts all this and shows it to everyone, a bit of gratitude to those who "enabled" it for him doesn't hurt.
I wouldn't comment at all if he hadn't mentioned "stone age countries". I know well that many things could be better in our beautiful Slovenia. But it's like that, the country is as the people living there.
If we're among those who can wander around, let's at least be a little grateful and not disparage our homeland. It's not given to everyone and not everyone is to blame themselves, least of all those sadly born in some Asian, South American or African country. And there are more where it's by no means only dependent on the individual's ability to create such a standard that would "enable" the above activity.
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| Bojan_A2. 12. 2017 15:49:04 |
@ dprapr: I assume you don't commute to work every day with SŽ trains. Because if you did, you'd change your opinion. With my post I mainly wanted to highlight the contrast. In Slovenia China is a synonym for a backward country. In reality it's completely the opposite. Slovenia regarding public transport infrastructure is one of the most backward countries I've visited so far. And I can't understand how I get criticism for kindly pointing out problems. In Gorenjska we ride 63-year-old trains every day. The bus station in Ljubljana reminds of hung towels in a camp. Buying a train ticket isn't possible online. Money for railway maintenance comes from car registration fund. Hello!   Tell me: "Do you really think all this is normal?" Doesn't it seem to you that if someone had 5 minutes, they could solve these problems right away? That's why I'm so critical, because I simply don't understand how a "developed" country like Slovenia can afford such things.
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| dprapr2. 12. 2017 16:14:58 |
No trains go to my village, buses even rarer. But I remember accesses to the mountains in youth when I depended on such transports. If nothing else, there was at least time in between for a beer while waiting at stations for connections further.
Yeah, nothing, Bojan, you're employed in such an institution where you can do something. Send some SŽ link every time, maybe they'll start working at "full steam".
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| denist2. 12. 2017 17:04:52 |
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| SamoK2. 12. 2017 17:56:15 |
>In Slovenia China is a synonym for a backward country.
First - ???? Since when?
Second, Shanghai isn't China. Go check out Xinjiang for example before generalizing. Shanghai was already developed in British colonial times.
(But after the run in the modern skyscraper you can also detour to some remote neighborhood in Shanghai and see the misery that you'll hardly find in Slovenia.)
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| jax2. 12. 2017 18:54:49 |
@VanSims
We didn't understand each other regarding the meaning of 'enable'. I misunderstood because I think the state doesn't enable it by itself. In every capitalist country, especially those that don't even reach average Western standards, there are those who can't afford such a trip and those for whom it would be pocket change. It mainly depends on the individual or in a healthy society it should be.
Well, but here you're generalizing very very much. Unfortunately we all have to admit that, for example, a teacher, nurse, insurance agent or bus driver in Germany or Morocco do more or less the same work. Yet one - at least with some planning and sacrifice - can afford even a trip to China, the other will at most dream about it. So, that it mainly depends on the individual is very generalized and said off the top of one's head.
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| VanSims3. 12. 2017 12:43:48 |
@jax: you're right but it's important to realize that it's not only the state that enables something. Hopefully those times are behind us.
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| lubadar3. 12. 2017 22:18:00 |
@Bojan_A, you've achieved enviable physical successes; when you achieve mental ones too, the world will be much nicer
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| Bojan_A17. 03. 2018 19:16:12 |
On another artificial mountain - the Eiffel Tower. Weather conditions in the storm and rain were very similar to those in the hills, as the Eiffel Tower has no "roof". For comparison, the height corresponded to roughly one Šmarna gora:
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