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| lynx28. 01. 2014 14:14:24 |
No dynamometer, so the end assessment is even more subjective.
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| JusAvgustin28. 01. 2014 16:11:35 |
What do you need a shovel for if you have an ice axe? Joke aside, I recommend purchasing the full avalanche kit, shovel definitely Ortovox ALU, none better.
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| viharnik28. 01. 2014 16:12:56 |
Nothing strange that they head out a day or two after snowing to the high mountains where the wind additionally drifted snow into hollows. With a bit more snow it would have buried them properly. If someone had triggered the slab a bit higher, it would have been critical already then. Surprisingly a whole column went up there in such crust . Modern approaches to mountains that often end quite tragically.
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| Ruzowski28. 01. 2014 19:24:14 |
Buy a shovel made of aluminum, not plastic. That's what GRS advises, on all courses they emphasized this especially. And once you dig, you know why aluminum. 
With a dynamometer you'll hardly get a shovel today. There are more methods for testing strength. You need a dynamometer for the Norwegian method... I myself have Ortovox Beast... żolno from Pieps and probe from Camp. For strength tests I also recommend a saw (for vines) which is especially good for cutting snow 30 by 30 cm.
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| JusAvgustin28. 01. 2014 19:55:07 |
I agree with this, if you have plastic—even if it's such tough Lexan it's the same as digging with a sandbox shovel
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| viharnik28. 01. 2014 20:16:53 |
Juš, Lexan shovels aren't so bad. In fresh and less fresh compacted snow there's no problem with digging efficiency. In compacted and frozen snow even with an alu shovel you can't make a miracle on the terrain (somewhat better, not much). Advantage of alu shovel is in frozen compacted snow to make some stance for skis on slope or at igloo making.
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| 1mitjas28. 01. 2014 21:26:56 |
We basically carry the shovel to dig someone out. That usually isn't in fresh snow.
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| viharnik28. 01. 2014 21:33:29 |
Most often, "concrete" rumbles down to the valley only late spring or summer as serac and even that high in the Alps.
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| ljubitelj gora28. 01. 2014 21:44:53 |
what about for doing snow profile?
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| JusAvgustin29. 01. 2014 06:23:33 |
You really go from one extreme to the other. First you didn't want to hear about avalanche gear, then you started making what you named "trapez" with an ice axe! Now you're asking about a saw?! The avalanche triplet is completely sufficient: shovel, probe, ŻOLNA! I won't waste words on the fact that if you don't know how to use it PROPERLY, it's just extra weight that you carry with you! That can cost you your life. For a good triplet you'll shell out even 500 euros, for the medium variant 350, for the basic one something under 200. As always I think nothing will come of it, since you're probably bored again and have nothing smart to do!
I'd like to see how you haul a saw with you on the tour
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| viharnik29. 01. 2014 06:54:46 |
Juš, I would just put a 5.5kg chainsaw in his backpack to take on tour, he would also gain some fitness.
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| Becar29. 01. 2014 07:05:49 |
But such a saw can really be multi-purpose. You can slice 1-2-3 bread and some hard sausage. And for the New Year's tree whittle
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| 1mitjas29. 01. 2014 17:14:08 |
Viharnik, avalanche debris is usually quite hard, whether it was powder or something else.
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| viharnik29. 01. 2014 18:19:16 |
Of course it is, if the snow compresses at the mouth of the avalanche stopping runout. Alu shovel is definitely a better choice, but this one also doesn't do miracles when excavating harder snow, nor is it so much better than Lexan, surely not. Lexan as material has only one flaw, that over years it comes to fatigue of the material fibers. Otherwise it doesn't break, but loses somewhat in % on strength or stiffness of the shovel blade.
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| ljubitelj gora1. 02. 2015 11:52:24 |
If anyone reads: Avalanches are one of the main objective hazards we encounter in the mountains in winter. If we are not aware of it, underestimate it or even consciously ignore it for the sake of achieving our own goals, it can become a subjective hazard. Therefore it is important to have enough knowledge about avalanches and to consider all information, tips and warnings regarding the current avalanche danger.
http://alpirocnik.rasica.org/index.php/Plazovi
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