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This year's summer weather

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triglavski7. 07. 2009 14:16:19

m''re 1
7.7.2009 As always, a nice and informative report. But no offense, the theory about thunderstorms due to a lot of snow doesn't hold; it can affect a locally increased probability but not much more. Anyway, other conditions must be met first - especially an unstable air mass. With a dry and stable air mass, thunderstorms rarely occur; if they do, they are just locally very limited heat thunderstorms. As a source of moisture, snow is negligible compared to other water surfaces, especially the sea.
The weather is much more influenced by the general circulation of air masses (anticyclones and cyclones) in our temperate geographical latitudes, which is affected by numerous factors. In general, we can say that this summer so far the paths of cyclones and upper cores of cold air over our areas have been frequent and long-lasting; on the other hand, paradoxically, e.g., in Great Britain, there have been long periods of stable anticyclones.
Long-term weather forecast - you may be right or not - but the reasons you use to justify it certainly do not hold. The weather is still such a complicated and not fully explained system that long-term forecasts are risky and quite unreliable even for meteorological and climatological experts. Additionally, the intensive and long-term changing of established climate patterns (read: climate change) contributes to this. Globally, we can say that they bring changed precipitation patterns and higher temperatures and thus greater intensity of weather phenomena and, from humanity's view, catastrophic consequences. What this trend means concretely for a specific area, e.g., Slovenia, time will show.


triglavski
7.7.2009 The theory can hold or not, but practice shows that it is so. Continental Europe, which of course has no sea, is a small local village, so local influences too. Anyway, we'll see. Definitely, this year's weather is a disturbing factor for activities in the mountains, which will also show on visits. Maybe it's even good in some sense. The mountains will rest from big crowds.


m''re 1
7.7.2009 The influence of the sea and oceans is still very strong in almost the entire continental Europe. As a ''''local'''' of the beautiful Soča Valley, you should know that well.
Practice this year can show as you say. What interests me is the explanation for the ''''rainy'''' summer that follows a relatively ''''dry'''' winter? Or vice versa, a snow-rich winter and then a dry, hot summer? This sequence has already happened and will most likely happen again.
I agree with you that weather as a disturbing factor for mountain visits actually isn't so bad, especially from the view of ''''regular'''' visitors.
Which is absurd in its own way. Many hikers/mountaineers, who like to distance themselves from the ordinary excursion-tourist ''''rabble'''', have today several times better gear than their parents and grandparents, not speaking of pioneer conquerors of the uncultivated world. When a few rain drops fall, they prefer a walk in the BTC than e.g. to Grmada.
Nothing doing, we have become quite pampered and ''''fast-food''''.
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triglavski7. 07. 2009 14:26:00
So as not to disturb where not needed, I merged and moved a bit here. I think the topic is interesting. Let's continue. As a "local", I know that in summer months most thunderstorms form on the mainland, without sea influence; usually fronts come from the north or northwest, and also this summer it's so. Of course there are sometimes exceptions. And why! I've already explained, no one needs to believe me, I'm not selling it to anyone as truth, just the facts are like that. Further, as a "local", I know that in winter every noticeable worsening comes from the southwest, from the sea thus, because only there is enough moisture in winter time. Even more, the most abundant snowfalls come to our Alps right from the Gulf of Genoa. A front from the north or even from the northeast does not bring mentionable precipitation in winter. On Primorska usually the bora blows, in the mountains cold northern wind. But I agree that weather phenomena are hard to predict, often hard to understand, as also that glaciers in the Alps are melting rapidly, at the same time in relatively low mountains snow remains over the summer; at least I, who am more often in various parts of the mountains, have been noticing this in recent years.
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Klin7. 07. 2009 15:31:39
The cause of frequent thunderstorms this summer is definitely a large amount of moisture. Due to frequent rains, the atmosphere dries only slowly. We can expect the weather to calm gradually, which does not mean that August and autumn will be nice.
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otiv18. 08. 2011 13:38:19
I wouldn't want to pour wisdom on people, but in this heat one goes to mountains early morning and not at 10h or later. Maybe late afternoon, when heat eases a bit. In morning cool it's pleasure to walk, in scorching sun it's "torment" of oneself.
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ljubitelj gora20. 08. 2011 12:34:45
Just for information, end of this month will cool markedly, so Triglav, Mangart, Jalovec will likely whiten with new snow. All who are not enthusiastic about snow in mountains, head to mountains this weekend or next week, which will be sunny the whole week but hot, so definitely very early to hills, around 5 o'clock already light enough to walk without trouble.
Somehow above 2000 meters is most pleasant.
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iomejc20. 08. 2011 20:54:47
@ljubitelj gora:
where does that data come from?eek
Namely, 1. and 2. September I have planned a two-day tour on Julijci and you scared me a bitzmeden
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ljubitelj gora20. 08. 2011 21:16:52
Until then, it's still a long way.
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ruševec22. 08. 2011 23:13:31
At Krvavec 1740m a.s.l. today highest temperature 27 degrees, at Kredarica 2515m a.s.l. today highest temperature 19 degrees. Still the whole week like that. On Wednesday I plan to Kriški podi, Stenar, maybe Pihavec too. Those who were in high mountains these days, I'm asking you, can one even walk normally at such high temperatures and unlimited sun scorching between rocks? Normally start at 6 from Vrata, but still will be 9 before I reach Dovška vrata. It worries me a bit, since here in valley really hard to bear current conditions.
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Janiel7423. 08. 2011 03:05:00
@ruševec: was yesterday 22.8. right up to Pogačnikov dom. Started very late 9:30 from Aljažev dom...up Sovatna the whole tour sunsmile Lots of drinking and sunscreen necessary, it'll be oksmile
Around 14h 21 degrees up at 2050m.
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otiv23. 08. 2011 16:17:07
@ruševec
Already on walk you start sweating, so that means need to replace lost fluid, I think you'll need sherpa for carrying water for steeper tour.bigwink
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viharnik24. 08. 2011 08:21:25
In Ljubljana "cooled" overnight to 22.7°C, what else till Sundayconfusedangry
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velkavrh24. 08. 2011 10:08:03
Yesterday at 3 pm at Češka koča 30 degrees in the shade. Never so hot before. Luckily the tour to Rinke in the morning in shade at the start in the rocks and likewise on the return to the saddle up to there in shade. Down towards the hut at Ledine it scorched properly.
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andrej7824. 08. 2011 12:11:21
We too yesterday to Križ čet Mrzli dolin descent through gully, at Okrešelj at 12 already properly hot.
Velkavrh, did we meet at the summit?
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andrej7824. 08. 2011 12:11:27
We too yesterday to Križ čet Mrzli dolin descent through gully, at Okrešelj at 12 already properly hot.
Velkavrh, did we meet at the summit?
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ruševec24. 08. 2011 19:43:10
Well, I survived one of those dog days in the mountains. I went to Prisojnik. It's suitable for these hot conditions, high start at Vršič shortens sweating under the sun. Around the window and on the north side of the ridge pleasant shade, some moderate wind. Heat attacked only on return to Vršič. Tour ended with soaking feet, hands and more in ice-cold Pišnica. Don't know what people I met at 12-13 who just started the ascent think.
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otiv24. 08. 2011 20:34:18
@ruševec
I see that even without a sherpa the tour succeeded.big Congrats and good luck!
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velkavrh24. 08. 2011 23:13:30
I and my companion were at the summit around eleven. Since then there's a photo on the forum under Kamniško-Savinjske under Rinke. We met another five hikers though. When the photos were taken, only we four were at the summit of Križ and then we went together to the neighboring Rinka.
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viharnik8. 08. 2013 18:19:21
This summer is reaching record temperatures, although meteorologists didn't forecast a hot summer.
Today on the road to Tacen under Šmarna gora it showed a round 40°C and a jump into the Sava for refreshment was just right. The water level is low, so one can walk halfway across the river and it has around 20°C, now pure water, the feeling better than on the overcrowded seanasmeh.
No better feeling than swimming under the home Šmarna gora1
Almost in the middle of the Sava2
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