Waste dumpsites in the mountains
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| Tadej10. 02. 2009 18:20:21 |
Lately there's a lot of talk about caring for the environment, waste separation and such. But nowhere are the black dumpsites in the Slovenian mountains mentioned; there are a lot of them and they destroy sources of drinking water. To solve this problem faster I'll post some photos of black dumpsites.
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| geppo10. 02. 2009 18:35:38 |
There's lots of this everywhere and thanks for reminding us of this dark side of our beautiful nature. Currently I have no pics, since I didn't photograph that. I suggest we post these photos and locations here (so something comes of it...)
Lp
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| Jany11. 02. 2009 08:05:44 |
We could organize some cleanup action, every year in a different area.
The dumping of cans, tins and plastic bottles in the high mountains also bothers me greatly. I've noticed, however, that they are not only Czech and Hungarian made. We need to think about it a bit.
LP
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| bojann11. 02. 2009 08:27:07 |
I think a cleanup action wouldn't bear fruit, as those who throw trash into nature will do it next time too. Unfortunately the majority (many) of people are completely unaware and we won't be able to avoid this.
It's horrible.
LP
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| bojann11. 02. 2009 08:31:33 |
I wanted to write that we won't be able to avoid this even in the future. Just look what lies in the forest by some parking at main roads. You won't believe it.
Really something to think about!
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| Kriška11. 02. 2009 11:00:05 |
I see things a bit differently. In the years when I started going to the mountains as a teenager (decades have passed since then), we were taught to "put waste under a stone" behind us. So - not back in the backpack, but leave it in the mountains, just nicely hidden. True, there was no plastic packaging then but cans, paper and very rarely glass. In good faith that we were doing right, mountain lovers thus "littered" the high mountains. It's also true that there were far fewer hikers than now.
In the last, say 15-20 years, I've noticed a strong increase in visits to alpine pastures and mountains. I still very rarely see discarded packaging on those paths (and at those altitudes) where there are no occasional tourists who accidentally go to the mountains, but only individual mountaineers, who are now mostly (thank God) aware enough to take their waste home. Different are the mass-visited paths in the foothills, where we can really encounter sad scenes sometimes.
And something else are forests in the valleys and along roads leading to higher starting points for trips. Sometimes you don't even need to go far from home - for those of us living in the countryside, sometimes just a half-hour walk to the forest around the home village is enough to see how some people irresponsibly treat nature right in front of their doorstep.
Still, I'm convinced that people who go to the mountains to strengthen body and soul mostly belong to those who care about nature and are among its smallest polluters.
In conclusion - according to my observations, there is now less pollution in the mountains than there was a few decades ago.
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| serajko11. 02. 2009 20:22:38 |
Kriška! I too have been going to our mountains for a few decades. I completely agree about pollution. On day trips, pollution is hardly noticeable anymore. In the past everything was full of lemon peels, paper scraps and other rubbish, now you hardly find a scrap of paper. There's much more of it on longer routes. Encouraging that most young people also care about the environment. Keep it up (problems remain in lower areas accessible by cars)
best regards
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| fpetel111. 02. 2009 22:30:21 |
Hi!
Personally I've noticed pollution also in less crowded areas. For example Mokriška cave - painted over, iron doors thrown down the slope and parts left 20m lower. Kresišče in western Karawanks - scraps of paper, cigarette packs etc., cans above Turski žleb etc. In nearby forest (not mountain area but plain) they cut down all valuable trees, branches and debris of course left in place. Path to Bojanci on Bohor (waterfalls) is practically impassable due to fallen trees, path destruction (mud sinking 20cm) - maybe negligence but still not some care for the environment. Snowmobiles and quads rage on all hills they can, make noise, stink and poison the environment...
Things are not ideal!
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| majki11. 02. 2009 22:45:36 |
Hello!
Litter also bothers me often (chocolate wrapper, can) "sneakily" hidden under a rock. But finding a solution so it doesn't happen anymore is hard.
Well, actually I wanted to say what I came across below Krn summit. Probably someone who's been to Krn a bit below the summit went through a small tunnel. Since I had a flashlight and was curious where the tunnel leads, during exploration I stumbled upon a big pile of garbage. Don't know where it came from. If anyone knows something about it, I'd really like to learn more. But there's quite a lot of garbage and it's been accumulating there for some time. Don't know, do they carry it from the hut a bit lower? Do they plan to clean it up sometime?
Regards
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| mukica12. 02. 2009 08:57:04 |
I personally think that lately there's more awareness about environmental protection, much less discarded packaging, wrappers, butts, peels...
In short, hikers and mountaineers mostly carefully watch over nature, because we know we'll return here often and make sure to take back to the valley what we brought mostly in lighter form (drunk and eaten). And that's right. Care for healthy and clean environment should accompany us everywhere, only then can we leave our children, grandchildren.. unique nature.
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| Kriška12. 02. 2009 10:28:45 |
Fpetel1: As for debris and remains of thinner branches left after logging in the forest, I don't see that as polluting nature. So-called "cleaning" of the forest, when everything is cleared and hauled away, from twigs to fallen leaves, in my opinion is more impoverishing nature, since it takes care that humus forms over time from the aforementioned remains.
Majki: I can't even imagine such a thing. Luckily I didn't enter that tunnel during my visits to that area. Given the quantity and "concentration" of waste, it definitely looks like passing mountaineers didn't throw it away over time, but someone nicely collected and dumped it there. Disaster!
It would be good if someone could inform the authorities and prevent such "sweeping around corners" in the future.
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| majki12. 02. 2009 10:40:16 |
Yeah, where should I send it or whom to inform? Does anyone have advice? Because this is really the limit. And in TNP!
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| felix12. 02. 2009 12:05:51 |
For such things you need to inform the mountain nature wardens at PZS. In our club (PD Paloma) there's a section that cleans the area around Ribniška koča on Pohorje once a year. Such sections operate in other clubs too, probably also in those maintaining paths around Krn.
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| frko12. 02. 2009 19:31:45 |
I too always get angry when I see lots of garbage in the mountains. I have a feeling that lately a bit less, but still too much. It's hard to understand that you can carry half a kilo of beer up, but back nothing more than just 4 grams of the can. Personally I think, as long as people don't clean the garbage in their heads, every cleanup action is just a praiseworthy deed, but garbage will unfortunately remain.
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