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| dprapr12. 11. 2023 20:04:26 |
When I looked at the interim poll result, I couldn't believe it.
Up here on this forum your main problems are tied or untied carabiners, paying for parking, how to cheat on a closed road, at what price ričet or tea will be in the hut, why the hut is closed but there are enough loiterers on the marked path, how someone is equipped,..
But when they want to literally concrete over Pohorje, the jewel of eastern Slovenia, 47% of you answered YES, 10% don't care.
Already during covid I was figuring out what kind of modern-day hill climbers are on this forum. Now it's just confirming itself. Thanks to all who still care about nature. Only 44% of us currently.
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| ppegan13. 11. 2023 10:10:52 |
Pity, if it weren't for the (over)priced parking fees and (loose) dogs, this forum would die sooner or later. But don't worry, we love to whine, even more to dispense wisdom to others  Well, maybe now wind turbines on Pohorje will be added to the list - I'm of course against building them or any interventions in pristine nature. The numerous forest skid roads made right over hiking paths for timber extraction also annoy me. OK, I understand it's necessary and downed trees somehow have to be gotten to the valley, but I don't agree with such coarse interventions in nature.
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| jprim22. 11. 2023 18:08:39 |
Forest skid roads - yes, really annoying, but forest owner made them on his parcel and we are just guests going on that path, since owner allowed us to go.
LP!
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| n3jc22. 11. 2023 20:25:41 |
We are guests and property is sacred. But cultural movement through the forest is not permitted or denied to us by the owner, but there is a social contract (or if you want: law) above him which is currently such that the owner may not prohibit movement through the forest. That's how it was presented to me.
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| jprim22. 11. 2023 20:51:11 |
@n3jc
You don't understand correctly what I wanted to say, the owner gives permission so that a hiking trail can be set up on his parcel. That's what I meant.
LP!
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| VanSims23. 11. 2023 14:36:35 |
As far as I know, the owner must allow movement on the hiking trail that runs through his land. Now, whether he can make skid roads across it or not, I don't know. Probably as long as it doesn't substantially obstruct movement on the hiking trail.
Another story is in Austria. There is no automatism there. The owner can in principle also close a hiking trail. There have been such cases, but usually the court in disputes always ruled in favor of the hikers or the verein, i.e. that movement is allowed or that the owner must remove the barrier.
So somewhere it's just case law, based on which probably few dare to do it, because they would most likely lose in court (court costs!). The owner probably needs a very good reason for it or to agree with the verein, consult a lawyer... No automatism!
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| padez23. 11. 2023 22:26:48 |
Yes, but the owner must give permission for the hiking trail to run through his property. Unfortunately, there are still quite a few hiking trails routed over private land on the principle of "it's all ours anyway". I very much doubt that, if it came to a dispute, the court would rule in favor of the mountaineering association that maintains the trail and couldn't prove it had the owner's permission for the land through which the trail runs. In the past there have already been such cases where hiking trails that ran through the owner's land without the owner's permission were closed...
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| VanSims24. 11. 2023 11:14:03 |
Then with us at hiking trails it's like with road construction: you have to negotiate with each owner separately, each can blackmail and delay the project for years before the court grinds something out and construction can start.
In Austria, when they mark the route, the owners on it are automatically expropriated. That's how the project can start. Owners who are not satisfied with the compensation can then bicker in courts as they please, without hindering the construction progress.
I don't know how it is there with hiking trails, maybe similar. Yes, sometimes for the common good you also have to do something 'ours'. And I'm not advocating socialism, quite the opposite.
In Austria (I don't advocate that country either, there's a lot rotten there and their apparent finesse under which all the filth is swept - in Slovenia at least, more or less, you know the devil) there was an interesting case a few years ago when a landowner arbitrarily closed the path to Mirnock (Nockberge) and had a warning sign erected. The court, after a lengthy dispute, ruled in favor of the association, the owner had to remove the barrier, and of course she was hit with the costs of the proceedings and I don't know if there wasn't even compensation to the association.
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| Lisica24. 11. 2023 12:28:04 |
Wind turbines on Pohorje NO.  Some have their brains too washed by the green agenda, which it isn't. If they want wind turbines let them have them in Ljubljana in front of the parliament not in pristine nature.
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| Janezs6. 12. 2023 08:10:18 |
Where were you when roads, cable cars, hotels, various towers, playgrounds were being built on Pohorje, then you didn't think about pristine nature. Wind turbines will probably be erected everywhere where there's some wind in SLO. I've already gotten used to them with walking around Europe.
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| DVas6. 12. 2023 09:37:03 |
Road must be
Inn must be
Drive up to the inn's doorstep and park
Schnitzel must stick out over the plate
Mustn't be more expensive than 7 eur
That's the SLO mentality. But no wind turbines.
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| dprapr6. 12. 2023 15:29:05 |
The problem is not in wind turbines, even less in inns, schnitzels, cable cars,… The problem is only in when healthy peasant common sense will prevail. If it's not too late then.
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| lino6. 12. 2023 19:03:42 |
DVas, you hit my priorities and expectations perfectly; and also many of my friends and acquaintances. You are one of the better connoisseurs of SLO mentality. You are an excellent visionary. You only live once. Good luck!
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