pelister - Recent messages

But first think well whether it's moral to get vaccinated with the 3rd dose. Millions of people in the third world (over 70 years old) are supposed to die because of your selfishness: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02219-w

Another country that trusts experts and not S(D)Sers: https://www.index.hr/vijesti/clanak/gordan-lauc-treba-ukinuti-sve-mjere/2302008.aspx

S(D)Sovci: https://siol.net/novice/slovenija/tudi-otroci-tarca-delta-razlicice-okuzb-kar-petkrat-vec-kot-pred-tednom-dni-video-559663

British experts: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9954451/Should-UK-jabbing-12-year-olds-Experts-odds-controversial-Covid-policy.html

According to https://www.rtvslo.si/slovenija/koliko-slovenijo-stane-bolnik-s-covidom-19/549792 we will very soon be in phase 1 (https://www.zurnal24.si/slovenija/tako-bi-omejevala-svetovalna-skupina-372385)

> In 2020, 18.8% or 3,795 more inhabitants died than average in 2015–2019.

Half due to covid, the other half due to anti-covid measures.

90% have vaccination certificates, the really vaccinated are of course much fewer.

@zavest:

>My point exactly. Because the 42-second video was selectively edited after publishing the original longer one, to show a distorted picture with statements out of context. Exactly that is what I wanted to say, glad we understand each other, you've quickly mastered the debate rules up here, as if you were an old acquaintance

So, which parts of the longer video did they include in the shorter video (from ... to ...)? And how did they manage to disguise the host?

@Becar: I won't block anyone, better to convince with arguments

@zavest: the 1:48-minute-long interview was made at the latest on July 23, the 42-second one on August 5

@zavest: I think we agree how it will be at 100% vaccinated population. At 78% vaccination rate let's do short calculation:

Data:
78% vaccinated, 85-90% hospitalized, 95% with severe course
22% unvaccinated, 10-15% hospitalized, 5% with severe course

Probability for hospitalization is 1.6 to 2.5 times higher in vaccinated than unvaccinated (85/78*22/15=1.6, 90/78*22/10=2.5).
Probability for severe course of hospitalization is 5.4 times higher in vaccinated than unvaccinated (95/78*22/5=5.4).

@zavest:

Share of vaccinated in Israel (16 Aug 2021): 78% of those over 12 years old (source: https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/08/grim-warning-israel-vaccination-blunts-does-not-defeat-delta)

85-90% of hospitalizations and 95% of severe cases (severe patients) are fully vaccinated (source: director of Herzog hospital in Jerusalem: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuGV2NSLqRI)

So vaccination increases probability of hospitalization and especially severe course thereof.

They're still hiding this here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuGV2NSLqRI

https://www.technologyreview.com/2021/07/30/1030390/vaccinated-getting-covid-delta-mask-mandate-superspreaders/