Alpine plantain (Plantago alpina)
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| jojoj19. 01. 2016 22:30:00 |
Plantago alpina has no Slovenian name because it does not grow in Slovenia. To catch it, it will be necessary to go to Austria to Salzburg and westward or to Italy Belluno-Bolzano or westward with the fact that it is not in Trentino.
That it was included in the list I assume is probably the influence of northern or western illustrated handbooks, because unfortunately there are no Slovenian ones.
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| Apolonija20. 01. 2016 10:49:36 |
Sometimes someone photographs plants abroad too.
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| jojoj20. 01. 2016 12:50:35 |
Apolonija, I agree and there's nothing wrong. I just wanted to warn that someone doesn't mistake something approximately similar in Slovenian mountains for Plantago alpina.
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| jojoj20. 01. 2016 13:07:51 |
To illustrate, let me add this example that I have experienced quite often: someone declared the Slovenian bearded pink Dianthus barbatus as Dianthus seguieri and translated it as Seguier's pink, although it does not grow in Slovenia. The bearded pink is an eastern Alpine Dinaric plant. D. seguieri is a southwestern Alpine plant or in other words it grows from South Tyrol westwards in the Italian Alps. There are other less common examples, but I won't list them.
And this is only because there is no extensive illustrated Slovenian handbook. There are excellent foreign ones, even translated, but they lack some of our plants. (In SLO more than 3000 autochthonous and naturalized (alien) plants grow. How many do the handbooks cover?
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| zlatica20. 01. 2016 14:57:24 |
Jojoj, you open very interesting topics and thereby broaden our horizons. From the latter about autochthonous species, I can conclude how much room there is for you botanists (I count you among them, although you haven't confirmed it yet), who would like to draw our attention to these peculiarities also in the form of some new book editions. Surely it wouldn't be a small undertaking. lp 
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| Apolonija20. 01. 2016 16:24:44 |
Zlatica, oh yes, how nice it would be to read such a Slovenian handbook. Well, even in some foreign ones, if you read carefully, you can learn about habitats. Some warn in fine print that a certain plant does not (yet?) grow in Slovenia.
Jo-jo, are you motivated to be a botanist? And that your head is perhaps gray, but not that old? And that your computer knowledge is good?-)))
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| jojoj20. 01. 2016 19:15:55 |
Regarding the illustrated edition of Slovenian wildflowers, the right address would be the publishers.
We can only be grateful that every few years a new edition of the Small Flora of Slovenia, supplemented with the latest verified findings, is published in a print run of about 1000 copies, which sells for 5-10 years. So a new edition when the old one runs out.
Foreign illustrated handbooks with higher production costs are published in print runs of tens of thousands or more copies across multiple countries with strong sponsorship support. Off the top of my head, would you be willing to pay 300-500 euros for a handbook? I hope the value isn't too low.
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| Apolonija20. 01. 2016 20:26:30 |
"...would you be willing to pay 300-500 euros for a handbook?"
It depends on the handbook-))). If it had 3000 plants, just as many or more beautiful photos equipped with good explanations, it might be possible. That way in installments.
You know, I'm really wondering who you are. Maybe you work at the Jovan Hadži Biological Institute? Prof. Bavcon probably doesn't have time to correspond here? You're probably not a retired botanist either. Sorry, I know you won't answer. Best regards.
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| Apolonija20. 01. 2016 20:40:05 |
PS: What about several cheaper handbooks? Plants by alphabet, by genus alphabet, by flower color, by habitats...?
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| jojoj20. 01. 2016 22:00:05 |
Regarding the typical "female curious" response of apolonija:
It seems to me self-evident that the warning about unrestrained naming of plant species on this portal should also be published, both for administrators and content creators. If I list some arguments, I haven't reviewed the entire scope. Only what I accidentally stumbled upon on the internet belonging to the Hribi net portal, and some plants from the initial screen on the "cvetje" portal:
1. One of the ragworts Tephroseris sp. is declared as Skopolijev grint Senecio scopolii. (How is such a mix-up possible? Except for an ignorant or irresponsible creator who publishes something like that!) (Later I sent a photo of Scopolijev grint)
2. Oxeye daisy Leucanthemum s.p. is declared as Alpine oxeye daisy apparently just because it grows in the Alps, otherwise Slovenian expert literature doesn't know it. (And it's not elsewhere in the Alps either.)
3. Yellow dog's garlic Gagea lutea is declared as Gagea fragifera alpine dog's garlic (alpine again?), which doesn't grow in the Slovenian Alps at all.
4. Alyssum - Aurina s.p (if it's even alyssum?) is declared as Aurina sinuata, which doesn't grow in SLO at all, the only autochthonous self-sown in SLO is rock alyssum Aurina petraea, cultivated is also rockcress alyssum Aurina saxatilis, which can temporarily run wild around gardens.
5. Common goldenrod Solidago virgaurea subsp. virgaurea is declared as alpine goldenrod apparently again just because it was found in the Alps.
6. Many-flowered fleabane Erigeron glabratus is declared as alpine fleabane apparently again just because it was found in the Alps, otherwise alpine fleabane Erigeron alpinus also grows in the Slovenian Alps.
7. The original photo of mint from the Mentha spicata agg. group was declared as water mint Mentha aquatica (?) (later I forwarded a photo of water mint)
And just one screen of plants, and I haven't even reviewed that one in detail completely. !?! Not to mention that the alpine dandelion and alpine hawkweed from the originally published photos cannot be confirmed with certainty...... (especially in light of the above peculiarities of this portal).
I think the warning about unrestrained naming on this portal is well justified. Isn't it?
Apolonija, you're sweet with your questions.
jojoj
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| Apolonija20. 01. 2016 23:12:53 |
Dear jo-jo!
You discovered many errors just in passing and of course it's right that you pointed them out argumentatively.
Here "dwell" enthusiastic mountain visitors, flower lovers who photograph them and then struggle in various ways to find their "identity". Without expert help. Then errors can occur that an experienced botanist's eye (or just an experienced eye) sees from afar.
In my opinion, it would be good if an expert "combed through" them. Will you volunteer? Pro bono?
Unrestrained naming. Naming without self-control? Omnipotent naming?
Probably more the result of sometimes arduous searching in various handbooks, the desire to find an answer and inability to recognize the error.
Once again; An expert could help a lot. My idea of botanists is that they are good, open and warm-hearted people. Am I wrong?
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| Apolonija23. 01. 2016 22:18:07 |
Jo-joj,
I'm contacting you again, although it's more likely that you don't visit these pages anymore.
You listed 7 plants you "stumbled over". Two were misidentified, namely the ragwort and mint.
The author inadvertently named three plants "alpine"....
Alyssum- Aurina sinuata- was, as I remember, photographed in Croatia and your conclusions are probably too hasty.
If you look closely at the fleabane photo, you can see two flower heads on one stem, I, a layperson, wouldn't dare to claim a priori that it's not alpine. What do you say?
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