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| Kuba1. 10. 2008 09:18:09 |
Thanks for the advice, triglavski, but I'm curious why you think we got lucky and what could go wrong?
Since I'm a big adventurer, such a trip was right for me, but really the conditions weren't great... anyway, the first day, the last 3 hours were quite adrenaline-packed....
Regardless of guides and maps, I still think paths should be marked more often... if every 500m on every stone it says 7J, it could say Dolič too...
Spominčica, this white horse is pictured on the way to Vogar, maybe a bit past Vogar... if I told you it's from Dolič, you wouldn't believe me ... I think this little horse is quite enough without princes
Yes, Katjuša, the trip was super and tiring too...
Maybe later I'll add some more pics, but there are tons where I'm one with nature and mountains
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| triglavski1. 10. 2008 09:50:02 |
I formed my opinion based on your original question; it's true, then many answers, advice and suggestions came. Fitness and will often aren't enough, nor is excellent gear if you don't know how to use it; plus, as I gathered, the girl wasn't that fit. Adventurism in mountains doesn't always end well. Internet advice can help but also mislead, especially from those well-read but who haven't done certain paths themselves. I wouldn't dare advise on a path I haven't walked. The key is, as they say, mileage, i.e., days and days in mountains, summer and winter, and even then the best ones have accidents.... sadly.
Since I've been dealing with paths for quite some years, let me say the basis is still the map; it's senseless to put signposts far from a hut or summit, but at important junctions. There are many 7J and Komna marks because they are mostly marks for the Triglav ski touring main route and mostly on poles and trees, since in winter on ground and rocks they aren't visible; sadly, many are already damaged. I suggest buying a map, which of course you need to know how to read.
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| mukica1. 10. 2008 10:17:15 |
I'm also interested (and I've been many times in 7J valley) where to go directly to Dolič over Hribarce; haven't walked that path yet. I have a map too, but didn't notice it drawn in; only from signposts noticed it's possible to cross SOMEWHERE . Thanks in advance for the answer; counting on you, triglavski, who are at home in the Alps.
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| triglavski1. 10. 2008 11:56:20 |
On my three different maps (Triglav, upper JA and TNP), the path is drawn and goes straight down; how visible the marks are, I don't know, since I haven't walked there in summer for a long time; in winter, you go where the ascent is easiest. From Hribaric down, first branch left to Vrata and following pastures; a bit lower, second branch direct down to 7J valley, joins main path near Rjava mlaka; anyway, around there mostly all passable, so no special problems should be, except of course in very thick fog.
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| mukica2. 10. 2008 08:37:14 |
We already walked that. But on Hribaricah there's a signpost pointing directly to the hut at 7J and much shorter time, but that's not drawn anywhere.
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| Rakar2. 10. 2008 13:55:47 |
Only one marked path leads over or from Hribaric (here I mean the whole plateau, so there's no doubt) to the valley and then towards the hut at 7J, but there is an unmarked shortcut from Vrata (pass between Zadnji Vogal and Velika Zelnarica) to the 7J valley, which joins the marked path south of Zeleno jezero. This connection could otherwise be used (from Hribaric following the marks turn left towards Vrata and then at the right place right pathless downhill), but no significant time saving can be expected, especially since this option is not indicated with a directional sign and equipped with walking times to the hut at 7J.
Perhaps we don't understand each other well in some detail, since in the previous post you asked about the direct path from Hribaric to Dolič (then I thought of the marked variant over the summit of Kanjavec, although timewise, hmmm ...) but in the last one you write about the signpost on Hribaricah pointing directly to the hut at 7J ... (so in the diametrically opposite direction)
Anyway, Mukica, if you write a few more words, we can try to clarify; otherwise, I will probably repeat myself when, along with the maps, I again recommend for JA in general, as well as Mihelič's guide Julijske Alpe for this area. You will surely be satisfied! The internet with all its options still remains an irreplaceable medium for information on the current condition of the paths (taken with appropriate distance, of course).
Lp
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| mukica3. 10. 2008 08:47:27 |
We two went after Kopica to Hribarice towards Dolič; when we were there at the signpost, we noticed Koča pri 7J 1 hour. In any case, it's impossible, even if you don't go straight to Prehodavci. So I thought there exists some other path that I don't know or we don't have drawn in. Now I know the data are simply inaccurate.
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| Rakar3. 10. 2008 11:34:10 |
Aha, if it's the three-way junction on the SW side of Hribarice (Vrata, Dolič, Prehodavci or 7J) - directly above the 7J valley, then that intermediate time isn't so blatantly wrong. (Maybe it was written by a marker who had a very good day then, or maybe a quarter or half hour got lost somewhere ...) The previous is written half in jest, half seriously! Anyway, if we say that the time according to the guide for the 7J - Prehodavci section is 2h15min (uphill), for 7J - Dolič 3h30min (via Hribarice, regardless of direction), for Prehodavci - Dolič 2h15min (via Hribarice, regardless of direction), then we get a pretty good feel. But the times, especially intermediate ones, on direction signs (and rocks) often differ from those in the hiking guides. The latter are mostly longer, all-inclusive. I explain this difference also (!) by the fact that some guides were written when it was calculated that on average one hour of "mountain" walking is used for 300 to 350 meters of ascent, today this "auxiliary norm" is slowly approaching 400 meters of altitude, if not pushing over. Everything goes faster anyway and some hikers are really well trained today ... (The 7J valley is of course not a good example for using such calculations, I would almost say it's the exception that proves the rule.)
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| Kuba8. 10. 2008 12:28:10 |
These tables and hours that say how much more to where, in my opinion you don't have to take seriously... it's probably some average walking... you can be faster or slower... anyway I enjoy in the mountains and don't like looking at the watch... walking is not hard for me even 12 hours in a row but it doesn't make sense.. anyway thanks again to everyone for all the advice, because in the end everything was nicely and properly done...
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| Martin Dercar31. 10. 2024 02:42:08 |
Good day, with a colleague we would go this weekend a bit to the mountains. The weather will be ok, but we wonder which tour you recommend. I have hiked a lot, mainly interested in which hut is open and that it's about 3 hours+ walking.
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| turbo31. 10. 2024 19:34:38 |
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