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| and1224. 11. 2010 17:36:41 |
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| viharnik24. 11. 2010 18:29:57 |
The mentioned jackets are quite equal in purpose and materials, but slightly different in cut. Both jackets are Gore-Tex stretch material and Millet keeps up with the times thanks to the wealthy company.
Jackets are in my opinion too good for our parts, unless you're some prominent alpinist. An alpinist acquaintance quite praised the Mammut Logan jacket, which has been a sales hit of this type for some years. But it's all individual matter and also body constitution so it doesn't hinder movement. Here mostly winter softshell jackets are used on tours in good weather, which breathe well, insulate and dry well. In bad weather or for ski touring Gore-Tex is sometimes irreplaceable. Of course you need all layers of warm insulation underneath. If you really need the thing, purchase OK, otherwise pointless spending.
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| Fazo24. 11. 2010 19:35:04 |
As viharnik already mentioned, the choice mainly depends on what you're looking for. These two jackets are practically the same. And I completely agree that for us softshell jackets are more suitable for normal conditions. Goretex is cool stuff, works for quite a while, then the water repellency function slowly fails (then you wash the jacket in one of the impregnators and dry it in the dryer (read maintenance instructions), which "bakes" the impregnation and evenly distributes the fibers). Under/above (belays, resting) such jacket you need something that holds heat (two differently thick fleeces or down/primaloft insulation and base layer). Nice that they can be vented, otherwise you can stew. With the hood check it's big enough to go over helmet,...otherwise both jackets have good cut and are super made. Maybe slight preference to Millet because reinforced shoulders, where on my jacket it first started leaking there (because backpack rubs there).
Well good purchase! For prices check a bit at neighbors, e-bay,...because these are nicely marked up. Maybe somewhere sale of last year's models.
Anyway wear it a lot and nice! 
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| klm24. 11. 2010 20:35:23 |
Expensive, too expensive! - but Mammut is now IN!
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| Fazo24. 11. 2010 21:08:36 |
@klm: did he ask about price? Are you buying? Well, if he has money let him treat himself. Just typical Slovenian envy...
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| lingo24. 11. 2010 21:17:17 |
Fazo, you're tangling yourself up. In the last sentence of previous post you advise and12 to check neighbors - because prices are inflated, but when klm says too expensive you scold him with envy and say let him buy if he has money. According to this you'd want and12 to get rid of as much money as possible. That's original Slovenian indulgence, gugi
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| Hribovc8824. 11. 2010 21:32:08 |
You're arguing again, up here almost all topics are really (almost) spiced with quarrels 
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| viharnik24. 11. 2010 21:34:16 |
For the one who needs such gear, nothing is too expensive; dying is expensive, or what a pity he died, the priest buried him. But when buying for such money, you always find some discount. And12, wait for December discounts; another option for a cheaper buy is to know some guides who have bigger discounts on purchase, or across the border in December when neighbors already before us have 15-20% discounts.
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| klm25. 11. 2010 08:01:13 |
Fazo, I'm not envious, not at all. However, with both products, the logos stand out primarily. A product with a less prominent name, e.g., Trango World, if mentioning products from the above-mentioned shop, with the same Gore membrane is much cheaper, even by a third! And it's made in EU (Spain), the tailor is top-notch. Ask the sellers how many complaints they have, how many e.g. Millet? That's what I talked about.
Then there are other brands with less prestigious names, not so nicely cut, but still undisputed quality, better membrane than the mentioned Gore (here I'd highlight EVENT and Sheller C-Change; Patagonia's H2No also has proven better characteristics). Gore also has much better membranes in its offer than those found in both above-mentioned jackets, with far better characteristics; top tailors use them (read brands; no advertising; one has a fossil logo too), but you CAN ALSO BUY THEM HERE for much less money!
Fazo, I hope now you understand why I wrote the above paragraph. 
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| surfer123425. 11. 2010 09:08:14 |
I agree with klm.
I too have been looking for a good goretex jacket for some time. After a long time I found goretex pro shell Trango world jacket with excellent cut for 165€ reduced from 300€. Goretex membrane products' prices are dropping fast lately; obviously other materials or membranes have overtaken goretex, consequently they sell less than before and are forced to lower.
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| tisa25. 11. 2010 10:04:43 |
And for me, who is not exactly an extreme mountaineer, does a goretex jacket suffice?
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| matejn25. 11. 2010 10:34:31 |
My opinion too.
Both of the above-mentioned jackets, in my opinion, "fail" at least in one area, and that is the hood design. Not so much Mammut as Millet; even Mammut doesn't shine here. In jacket making, one of the hardest parts, if not the hardest, is designing and making the hood. The hood must be large enough for use over a climbing helmet, must adjust well to the head even without it, must provide sufficient face protection; for resisting strong wind and rain, the "visor" should have a steel wire, and finally, the hood must not obstruct or must allow unobstructed left-right view.
Very few manufacturers know how to make a really good hood, and most of them come from the UK. If you want to buy a Gore-Tex jacket, I recommend that you look at jackets from Mountain Equipment and Berghaus. In case you are willing to look "beyond the neighbor's fence", I recommend two producers with excellent jackets made from Event, namely Rab and Montane.
As for prices, I myself have no feeling that Gore-Tex jackets are overly priced. Quite the opposite, I have the feeling that Gore diligently exploits its "almost monopolist" position for inflating prices to almost unreasonable heights.
Finally, I recommend that you visit the websites www.livefortheoutdoors.com and www.outdoorsmagic.com and check out everything that interests you.
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| and1225. 11. 2010 19:25:17 |
THANKS
No panic... 
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| JusAvgustin26. 11. 2010 10:58:00 |
since you mentioned Trangoworld, I have only positive experiences with "Rago". Even at -20 it performs without issues, no wind penetration, lightweight and breathable, hood design is top-notch as is waterproofness. Price matches, around 250 euros... On sales around 200. I carry it always and everywhere, my faithful companion.
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| skorny26. 11. 2010 12:40:00 |
Not to do advertising, check the windbreaker from Karibu producer (Iglu sport brand), model Caligo. I bought it on this winter sale and am very satisfied with it. Tested it in rain when there were floods this fall. Walked in it in rain up the hill more than three hours on purpose to check if it really holds water as they claim in Iglu. Surprised, it really held water, only a bit wet at the end of sleeves, since I used it actively for three hours. When I took it off, I was dry underneath. And the price is very good, these days on sale under 200€. Aesthetically it's a pure copy of Millet.
And link to the windbreaker
http://www.iglusport.si/?mod=store&action=viewProduct&action_id=10344&language=sl
True, it's not from Softshell, a bit too much on top in extreme cold.
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| klm26. 11. 2010 16:53:25 |
The material is excellent, top-notch, but the tailor (manufacturer) is poor. Try the hood with a helmet - it won't work... then a bunch of details, mainly technical flaws like pockets... poor, poor copy!
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| Kleemen18. 11. 2018 21:46:17 |
Unfortunately too expensive, looking for something up to 100eur. If money were no issue I would take North Face for sure, but 200+ I'm not paying for a jacket now.
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