From Ojstrica to Turška gora
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| rok8625. 02. 2009 16:34:13 |
Hi! I'd say I went via Kopinškovo to Ojstrica then to Baba and Planjava then turned and down via Škarje because it was so from the south that crust formed at every step. But from sunny side constantly stuff flying from rocks and small avalanches flying.
No point in how much you cover if some are fitter we are! Waste of debate. Can attach more pics if someone wants to see conditions!
I'll repeat the thing in a week when snow is processed.
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| rok8625. 02. 2009 16:39:38 |
Geppo, I saw your post so I'll tell you that over Kotliče it's much easier also exposure not anywhere near like Kopinškova especially since at key spots powder and rock.
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| geppo25. 02. 2009 17:23:05 |
Look, rok86!
Just watching you upload photos - OK.
They are nice and congrats on the route done. But the route plan (Plesnik - Klemenča - Ojstrica - Baba - Planjava - Brana - Kotliči - Turska - gully - Okrešelj) seemed a bit too ambitious to me for a one-day tour (in these conditions). Otherwise this judging (goes or not) dragged on too much. Basically I really like that you did part of the tour and safely returned to the valley and delighted us with really nice photos.
Next time, the other part of the route too, which won't be >piece of cake< either!
Lp
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| JTrogar25. 02. 2009 20:05:25 |
I'm curious what you saw on Ojstrica?
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| Fifi25. 02. 2009 20:27:02 |
Yeah Rok! Congrats! You'll repeat it! You're persistent! We need such ones hey tell me how's the north side I mean if you'd go to Ojstrica from Klemenča jama-Škarje direction? Cuz I noticed it's from Podvežak just too long! Please reply!
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| Fifi25. 02. 2009 20:38:05 |
Kotliči, I didn't like them even in summer! Especially if going from Turska gora towards K.S. between the foot of Brana and Kotlič! That path is hellish! And I know a neighbor who said some approaches that take lots of effort in summer are better accessible in snow times! Well, the fact is some are more pumped so for them it's sport! For me personally it's pleasure! On this side we write to find out conditions not how much someone will traverse. I say this to all. Cuz some know what's real and what's not but still there was the question "what are conditions for descent from Planjava to K.S." I don't see the answer. D, sorry for such a long letter!
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| aljazzz25. 02. 2009 21:47:27 |
rok86, this tour also seems a bit extreme to me for winter , I did it in summer, it took me around 12 hours!
But when I look at the pics you uploaded, I recognize only Kopinškova to Ojstrica (just for one pic I don't know where to place it), add some from Planjava, babe; this weekend I plan to visit Planjava
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| rok8625. 02. 2009 21:52:23 |
Yeah, from Klemenča to Škarje maybe 1h.
The route itself is not exposed, maybe some caution at the top, cuz snow is frozen, now it's almost a highway so just on the path.
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| rok8625. 02. 2009 22:05:54 |
Aljaž: yeah, that's why I'll repeat it in winter, cuz in summer I did it in good 6 hours so, when snow transforms a bit I count on this tour ca. 10+ hours, such training must be esp. if you have bigger ambitions and of course for pleasure not for sport.
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| Fifi26. 02. 2009 10:18:45 |
Rok, tell how far one can easily get with the car, to Klemenča jama plowed? I plan to go up there on Saturday so inquiring, thx for answer.
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| geppo26. 02. 2009 10:45:12 |
mavhar
You mixed something up. To Klemenče is an hour's walk from the Pl. hut in Log. valley. You probably meant Podvežak??
Lp
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| JTrogar26. 02. 2009 18:52:14 |
Rok86, once again I'm asking what you saw on top of Ojstrica and at what time you were on top? And pics are only from Kopinškova, give us some more on the continuation of the tour. Lp, Janez59.
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| rok8626. 02. 2009 19:04:11 |
I think there is one picture from the top.
What should I have seen at the top? And let me mention if you thought I descended before the summit, descent wouldn't even be possible.
From the continuation of the tour I can at most send you some last year's picture, because further I didn't even take pictures.
Do you always take pictures on repeated tours?
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| JTrogar26. 02. 2009 19:33:33 |
Literally, what did you see at the very summit and when exactly were you on it. And also how much time did you spend on the continuation of the tour. I always take pictures, even repeated tours, because nature is always different, my memory not photographic. Lp, Janez.
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| Fifi26. 02. 2009 20:46:44 |
No no, geppo, I thought right! This Podvežak seems a bit too long a tour to me, especially if without skis :SS. I wonder if to Klemenče jame is drivable at all, and if not how approx a normal mortal needs in these conditions to get to Škarije from Pl. hut in Log. valley? Trogar maybe you know? Because this path to Ojstrica seems a bit easier and shorter to me!
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| Fifi26. 02. 2009 20:58:54 |
So, this path is much faster for average mortals to Ojstrica than from under Podvolovjeka, where the path from Planinšek to Podvežak already takes almost 2 hours!
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| aljazzz26. 02. 2009 21:34:47 |
JTrogar, I also recognize only pics from Kopinškova to Ojstrica - I know it almost like my own pocket... don't know where pics e.g. from Planjava
Regarding the times you gave (mentioned tour summer - 6h, winter also in one day  ), I think that's a very difficult time to achieve even for mountain runners; the exposure in many places is such that you can't really rush!
As I already said, I did this tour myself in summer, took more, ca. 12h in very good conditions and good fitness (from Ojstrica I descended to Korošica and back to Planjava).
Rok, no offense, I doubt your super feats...
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| JTrogar26. 02. 2009 22:01:21 |
The path from Logarska is by no means easier than the one from Planina Podvežak, especially via Kopinškova. Shorter maybe only, because now via Podvežak we have to start already at Planinšek, but up to there it is driven by snowmobiles and thus holds the person. Only the section from the hut above the tree line sinks in, further on it mostly holds the person's weight. As for Klemenče jame, I tell you there really is no road there. But the road is drivable to the mountain hut. Regarding time, it's hard to say anything, as it depends on the conditions, which I currently don't know. From Rok's pics and tracks on them, I judge they are not good and safe. Track at least to Škarje. The upper vesina looked okay from the top. Hard and partly icy. I assume one could reach the summit in 4 to 5 hours, as a normal mortal saveda. In summer I managed the path up and back in 3.5h, up 1.55h via Kopinškova, back via Škarje. In winter just up took from 3 to 6 hours. Yesterday from Planinšek I took 8h for ascent and descent (5.2h + 2.4h). On the return I was also at Tolsti vrh and Deska. The decision is yours. Have a nice and safe tour. Lp, Janez.
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| Fifi26. 02. 2009 22:19:53 |
Last week I went around Podvežak, so in the next days I will try directly from Klemenče jame! From Škarje to Ojstrica just as you said: left of the north ridge! If the weather is good, I will probably head out on Sunday and let you know!
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