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| aina3. 08. 2008 06:49:19 |
I'm interested in the path through Plaz to Abram. Is it well marked? Is it suitable for hot days, or do you walk through the forest? How long is it?
I searched, but haven't seen a description anywhere yet.
Thanks for the info.
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| Bošti73. 08. 2008 09:51:41 |
Since you know Plaz, I assume these hills aren't completely foreign to you. 
You probably mean starting at Gradišče above Vipava. You have two options here.
1. From the parking lot go left where the sign says "Plaz 35 min". At Plaz you need a bit of caution. At the junction one path goes a bit left and quite straight, the other more right and slightly up. The right one is correct. Then just follow the markers. All the way gently uphill. After about half an hour you reach a small chapel where there's a path junction. Wide track leads straight to Abram. There's a sign too. You can't miss it. If you want to complicate things a bit, at the same junction you can turn right on the track and then walk about half an hour mostly flat (past the astronomical observatory) to a new junction where the "Abram" sign directs you left. From the right comes the path over Gradiška tura. Which is the second variant. At the junction you take the steepest path (and not right, as you might mistakenly interpret the direction sign "Gradiška tura 75 min". Path description to Gradiška tura is also here. Well, at the top follow the sign on the rock that says "Jež 45 min". After good five minutes you reach the junction I mentioned earlier (i.e. if you turn right at the chapel). Regardless of which variant you choose (I'd definitely go up via the tura and maybe down via Plaz), the path is well marked. Even better via the tura. Markers at all key points, just sometimes need to look better. It's also true that the path isn't very frequented and in places not heavily trodden. I haven't gone from the chapel to Abram yet, from the top of the tura it's say 1.5 hours walk. I think it's about the same on the other variant. Yes, the path runs practically all the time through forest, so it's relatively cool.
So, my suggestion: Gradišče above Vipava - Gradiška tura (climbing or normal) - Jež farm - Abram - chapel - Plaz - Gradišče above Vipava. About four hours moderate walking. Enjoy. If anything unclear, ask!
P.S. Or we can arrange guiding. 
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| spetovar23. 11. 2009 14:58:37 |
Over the weekend (20-21.11.2009) we stayed overnight at the tourist farm Abram. We were very satisfied with the price, accommodation and services. Breakfast is very abundant, service solid, staff very friendly. Recommend for all who wander around Vipava. And lots of climbing crags around. 
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| igorf26. 11. 2009 21:45:06 |
Yes, yes, and the best jota is at Abram, with homemade sausage cooked alongside that just "crumbles" in the mouth. The sweetest was when my late mother was still alive and I waited several times on winter Sundays in the morning when she said: "I still need to thicken it".
My favorite variant is: up over Gradiška tura and around down via Konja: from Abram continue straight towards the courtyard-past the beehives across the meadow that gently descends, at the edge of the meadow cross the pasture fence and on the path, in the same direction slightly left to the road, cross it left and a bit further on the path to the house, past it continue slightly left over meadows to the next road, cross it in the same direction further on track/path to Konja (small chapel), descend to the valley to the next road which takes us right to the church of St. Nicholas and further to the starting point (all together about 5 hours moderate walking). Description (though in opposite direction) is here: http://www.hribi.net/izlet/gradisce_furlanovo_zavetisce_pri_abramu_cez_konja/26/840/1532
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| spetovar27. 11. 2009 10:13:11 |
Unfortunately I went up by car, because bad weather and the goal wasn't hiking but climbing. At the crag Bela (Bela gorge) it was really nice, second day also to Gradiška Tura, then towards Štajerska. They have very good venison goulash with dumplings.  Definitely coming back in summer to walk the surrounding paths. Just hope they don't let that huge beehive out to "graze" at night
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| tristic28. 12. 2009 19:45:21 |
Hi .. for the last dry and sunny day in 2009 I chose the path Gradišče near Vipava-Gradiška tura (climbing route)-Abram-Konj-starting point.. so nicely around.. choice couldn't be better 
Conditions were excellent: up to the top of Gr. tura the sun was nicely warming, to Abram you walk nicely on cool ground so not too muddy, no snow anywhere, in the chapel at Konj someone, or more, really put effort into making the nativity scene.. beautiful , saw chamois and roe deer. The path is fully marked, if a mark is missing somewhere the trodden path helps, for Konj direction you basically follow the marked path to Podnanos and a bit above the village you turn, at a very well marked junction, towards Vipava (Gr. turi). I always have a map at hand and everything is nicely drawn there.
About food at Abram I don't know, it was closed as it's Monday today .. so I stocked up in advance with homemade small sausages.. mmm, yummy
Good luck!
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| aina18. 08. 2010 22:33:51 |
Finally I made it: Gradišče above Vipava - Gradiška tura - Abram - chapel - Plaz - Gradišče above Vipava.
During the hike I noticed in the logbook also the entry Škavnica. At home I found this hill on the map.
Now I'm interested from where you can reach Škavnica and of course if the paths are marked. Times are also interesting info for me.
Thanks for help.
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| BT8819. 08. 2010 09:14:43 |
There are several paths to Škavnica but I think no solidly marked one. For solo ascent I suggest drive from Vipava towards Vrhpolje and at the chapel on the right side of the road (between Vipava and Vrhpolje) park somewhere. Then turn left on the gravel road towards Vrhpolje. And above the mentioned village (10min) branch right I think marks are poor or on tree branches there are some tapes yellow or red and maybe some paint blotch on tree or rock there were also signs on trees, but I think they are no more as time ate them locals who decided for their own summit and deal with hills little so the path is left more to itself initiator for opening the path unfortunately no more. Or if you're from e.g. if I imagine myself on Pohorje on such a path? demanding pathless through nice paths but everything is in trails but there are many other paths from Plaz above Vipava e.g. Lipe where you've been or thick beech. Otherwise locals call the hill also Babna mrva or babne mrve. Suggest Sunday when more people to ask something for example. For additional info I'm gladly available otherwise it's a nice little hill with logbook views and cross on top. Aina good luck Oh times 1.30h easy approx 600m a.s.l. take a bit more if you'll search a little
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| djimuzl3. 11. 2019 02:39:08 |
At the tourist farm at Abram, a regular stop for hikers on Nanos, they've been keeping a bear in captivity for over twenty years. Given that the daily "range" of bears is much wider than what the mentioned animal's few-meter cage allows, one would expect a more energetic response from visitors to this intentional restriction of movement and simultaneous curtailing of the natural instincts of this bear, which they've named - Mitko..
But since obviously the vast majority of visitors turn a blind eye to this obvious inappropriate treatment of an animal that is otherwise a free-living species, I call on all of you - nature and animal lovers - to speak out against locking wild animals up for private purposes and the consequent unnecessary psychological and physical limitation to which this imprisonment leads.
If our community already approves locking bears in cages - ZOO Ljubljana - let it be in appropriately large spaces for them (which of course will never compare to natural ones) and not in a small cage of just 10 square meters like at Abram and some other captive bears in Slovenia. We can influence such obvious violations of animal rights, can't we?
I'm attaching some media responses: https://novice.svet24.si/clanek/novice/slovenija/5b09ab90c6718/velik-spor-zaradi-medveda-mitka-ki-ostaja-na-nanosu
https://www.moskisvet.com/novice/medved-na-nanosu-22-let-zaprt-zanemarjen-nihce-ne-opazi.html
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| @rekar3. 11. 2019 07:53:46 |
@djimuzl you are one big idiot when you think so stupidly, the bear has come to terms and thinks it has to be like that, has space to move, has food, for company he has people, but if released into natural environment he wouldn't survive, you hang this on the big bell, as if people are the biggest criminals who care for poor bear so he doesn't fall under hunters' bullets
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djimuzl - How would you solve this bear? Maybe send him back to the forest!
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| djimuzl3. 11. 2019 11:42:39 |
"Enough of an idiot" to know that keeping free-living animals in unregistered zoos is prohibited by the animal protection law.
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| @rekar3. 11. 2019 12:00:29 |
Thanks likewise, you said everything about yourself, pure malice drives you. Find out why this bear is there at all, I hope you're smart enough to read the comments on FB
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| turbo3. 11. 2019 12:11:46 |
rekar,
"kriten" is correctly spelled "cretin", about malice just so much that it's also malicious not to allow someone else a different opinion from yours. How the specific bear feels, only the bear himself knows.
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| samoa3. 11. 2019 18:59:32 |
@rekar, weren't you a ""cretin"", when you raced with a quad bike among hikers on Kofce and insulted us??????
Ana
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| jprim3. 11. 2019 19:22:32 |
I've been tempted several times to write something about this topic. Definitely need to provide sufficient space for an animal in captivity to move, which definitely isn't the case here.
Maybe some inspection service should intervene.
Regards!
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| potpodnoge4. 11. 2019 17:56:50 |
I hate to interfere in people's arguments. But if someone thinks the bear chose this shelter itself, they're seriously mistaken. For comparison, let someone lock themselves in an enclosure, say 50 m², and stay there for about 1 month. Then let them say if they've come to terms with it or would rather live in an enclosed space or free. And a person isn't a moron or sheltered if they think a bit differently than someone thinks they should. The worst is judging others by what we want ourselves and if they follow our lifestyle and thinking. And happy free paths in nature to all!
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| redbull5. 11. 2019 06:23:40 |
I'm wondering if anyone among you knows. Is this the original Mitko or already the second and most don't know? If it's that old Mitko he's just grateful to the owner as they saved him from death then
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| @rekar5. 11. 2019 08:57:05 |
samoa, what do Kofce have to do with the bear at Abram????
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| @rekar5. 11. 2019 08:57:26 |
samoa, what do Kofce have to do with the bear at Abram????
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