Logs across the marked trail
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| Guest10. 02. 2008 12:06:12 |
Nice greeting to all. Every day I hike to Jošt above Kranj on the marked path from Besnica (Pešnica) via Zabukovje. Last week a farmer drove some thick logs with a tractor and blocked the only passable path. We somehow climbed over them. Yesterday there were even more logs and to get past you have to put quite a bit of effort and balance. I'm wondering who will be responsible in case of an accident if someone gets injured climbing over, since the logs are unstable and move. Is it even allowed to put obstacles across the trail, as the path is marked?
Regards, Nataša
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| Guest10. 02. 2008 14:30:45 |
If the forest is his or he is the owner of these areas, then he can do it, it's just not nice of him!
This is just my opinion
Kind regards
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| andrej76710. 02. 2008 14:53:59 |
This is a typical Slovenian issue.
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| Guest10. 02. 2008 15:38:31 |
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| Guest10. 02. 2008 16:29:31 |
Article 3
(right of regular use of mountain trails)
(3) The landowner or landlady (hereinafter: landowner), through which the mountain trail passes, must allow users to use it for walking, running or climbing, and the maintainer to maintain and mark it by drawing markers and installing directional signs, boxes and safety equipment.
Owner, if you're reading this, think a bit
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| Guest10. 02. 2008 18:17:11 |
According to the legal provisions, the forest owner is therefore in violation, or breaking the law. If no one takes action, he will surely continue. I think reporting to the appropriate authority is appropriate.
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| dpipus110. 02. 2008 20:04:59 |
Why don't you go help him clear the logs, then you'll have a free path, maybe you'll even climb to the top with a car. Don't think that if you arrived from the city or another urban settlement, everything has to be clear in front of you and everyone has to move aside for you.
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| Guest10. 02. 2008 20:34:23 |
Anyway, this isn't a mountain trail. Not every goat path is a mountain trail. Did anyone ask the owner if a mountain trail can be established. Times of socialism are over and private property must be respected as sacred. Example is the new hunting law that completely ignores landowners. Or the law that says you can ride a bike on forest paths, I think even a motorbike, if I'm not mistaken. Correct me here. But the forest owner builds the path and maintains it, tourists (motorcyclists) destroy it, quasi-hikers park wherever they like and thus hinder the farmer's work. We all have to live from something, but we mustn't cause damage to anyone, not even the farmer. So those who refer to the law, think a bit about yourselves and don't cause damage to anyone. You don't want anyone causing damage to you either. And one more thing. This one is really barefoot. If you're a mountaineer, at least you present yourself as such, then you can go around the logs, and on foot, not wanting to drive on private land, preferably as high as possible on foot.
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| Guest11. 02. 2008 07:07:50 |
You can't believe it. Whatever you write or innocently ask, they already spit on you and accuse you of I don't know what. I don't know where you get that I want to drive there, since I clearly wrote that I walk there. No sense....
Regards, Nataša
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| spoty11. 02. 2008 09:21:59 |
You guest who wrote so long, it looks like you have no clue. The forest owner MUST clear the logs from the path, and not because of hikers and cyclists, but already because of the Forests Act, where it's clearly stated what the path must be like regardless of whether you're the owner of the path and forest. Not to mention that with those logs across the path he violates other laws too. So I would report him to the authorities, since the owner, if the path is marked, allowed it himself with his permission, possibly even got compensation, and now mocks hikers.
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| Guest11. 02. 2008 12:41:09 |
Come on, give it a rest, Nataša just asked, you're going crazy with Laws and Regulations and I don't know what else!!! Calm your nerves!!! I think this won't end, you'll keep ranting with me too!
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| Guest11. 02. 2008 13:41:14 |
Ah, isn't it nice that there are extra obstacles; you should be grateful for the extra movement, otherwise buy a treadmill if you want constant load state.
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| Guest11. 02. 2008 14:00:26 |
Who says they have no clue. Example. I'm the owner of a forest on Jelovica. I hired a group that does forestry work. First they prepare nicely for work and when they start everything is ok. When the tractor driver starts hauling wood to the storage, at the exit to the forest road someone has parked a car. Owner nowhere. So the group starts logging on the other side of the parcel too. But damn, at the other end where the forest skid leads to the storage two cars are parked. That owner also nowhere. Group works, tractor driver doesn't. Hours pass. No cell signal, so I drive 10 km away to catch signal. Call the police and ask how it is with this. They have no authority because it's not a public path. Truck already coming for wood. When it arrives it has to turn because no prepared wood. Tractor stands, truck turns. All costs. Let me say it was mushroom pickers and walkers, but extremely irresponsible. Many hikers are like that too. So think about yourselves and don't nag about every little thing. Nataša if you can get to the top of the hill then around logs too. Really waste of time and space for such stupid questions.
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| andrej76711. 02. 2008 15:07:06 |
No, well, logs on the path definitely don't belong - but I very much agree that more and more "quasi-hikers" drive their cars high into the hills as far as it goes and leave them wherever they want. Real hikers, nature lovers don't behave like that. Say Kamniška Bistrica has a nice big parking lot but in summer you'll have a whole column of vehicles towards Jermanci and cable car for Kokrsko sedlo just to cheat an hour of recreation. This road should simply be closed to all those who have no business there - hikers have nice marked paths from K.B. 
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| Guest11. 02. 2008 15:36:45 |
Barriers on forest paths, and they'll complain again that they have to go around the barrier. Even 2m longer path they'll do.
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| Guest11. 02. 2008 16:02:59 |
so much impatience now around logs, summer around dogs, what will spring be. Who will you complain to if no cleared trail and red carpet to Golica,... A bit, just a bit of patience,... And you fussed around huts and hut keepers, no one drags you inside, you just go past the hut, step past the log, go where you know no dogs are,....
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| Guest11. 02. 2008 16:47:09 |
What bothers you about dogs....in the end let roe deer and chamois start bothering you too...
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| tonej11. 02. 2008 18:10:02 |
Dear Sir!
I completely and fully agree with the forest owner who described how an inattentive or careless car owner can obstruct work in the forest.
I'm also convinced that workers during wood hauling don't stack logs across the path on purpose, but only for practical reasons for loading or transport. As for dogs on hiking trails - trained dogs that walk by the owner and owner also cares for them at the hut - shouldn't bother anyone.
Regards, Tone
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| Guest11. 02. 2008 18:53:30 |
With such nice weather better go to some hill and relax and cool your nerves. When you come back then better write some nice impressions. Will be more readable.
And nice greeting and as few logs and dogs across and on the path as possible.
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| Guest11. 02. 2008 19:05:53 |
Hikers are really ordinary pigs. They come from cities and dirty the forests, even Delta TLX oil bottles they carry with them, then throw them in nicely maintained forests, poor owners have to clean after them!
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| Guest11. 02. 2008 19:22:10 |
I too hike a lot in hills and notice that city hikers(Sunday) are quite egoistic. They park as if "it's all ours". I wonder how such would react if someone parks on their spot in front of their block. It is written in black chronicle how they almost shoot for parking spots in winter. Respect foreign property and park on the designated spot even if we walk 1/2 hour more. That's why we go to our beautiful nature
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