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SilvestrO16. 05. 2020 22:35:39
True, via shortcut, then right to Vevnica and left to V Koncu špice.
@ranyhyn, photo taken approximately here.
1st picture lower dot, 2nd picture upper dot. (taken from Gamsovih riž)1
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ranyhyn16. 05. 2020 22:59:05
@SilvestrO, thanks. Never would have thought it was there. Was at the saddle and saw only rocks, never dreamed the other side is so green.
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Dr.ejči17. 05. 2020 07:48:29
Green, green, temptingly green but deadly exposed!...you geolocated it well, Silvester...really didn't recognize it eek
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lijaneja17. 05. 2020 07:55:49
Oh, a new 'route' for me. Never thought you'd get up there. Is there a trace of a path or is the direction completely yours? From the saddle to Špica I never even tried, as descriptions say it's too demanding. Alternative then. Please rate the difficulty of your route.
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SilvestrO17. 05. 2020 09:07:31
Tone, like this, from the bivouac horizontally... below, when crossing the scree gully, find a ledge upwards along the V.K. Špica wall; for the hardest part Mihelič mentions II degree difficulty, then right along the grassy ledge there are traces of a path, above head left upwards in the area of the polished steep gully.

Approach to V.K. Špica not direct from the saddle, but a bit lower along the steep ledge.
On V.K.š... from the highest snow upwards along a steep scree slope, where a path is visible at the top...1
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ranyhyn17. 05. 2020 09:34:49
Not long ago (a year, two) some woman slipped on this exact route (from saddle between Vevnica and VKŠ to Kotovo sedlo)?
Two years ago I went from Vevnica to VKŠ and the route is demanding; for experienced in (free) scrambling it shouldn't cause too many problems. From there the traverse to Kotova Špica is at least in my opinion much more exposed and demanding.
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lijaneja17. 05. 2020 10:06:05
Of course. I've been up there a few times, and I think it's a poor II, just like between the end of V Špica and Kotova Špica, where there are just a couple of meters quite 'airy'.
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Dr.ejči17. 05. 2020 11:24:43
If I can comment too, so there won't be, due to "instant" pathlessness, too big a rush to this "route", because Silvestr's description reads quite simply?... Definitely the ledge is much easier to find "up" than "down"... indeed Mihelič describes in Northern approaches that it's no harder than II, but still... when I first explored this end, my partner and I were descending from the saddle... if you don't turn a bit left into the gully, but go straight where the traces lead, you end up above overhanging drops, where there are abseil stations, but without gear it won't go... the gully is quite compact when dry, in snow and, last time I struggled, in ice, quite demanding (with Juš I hammered 2 pegs and rappelled with rope on ice)... below the gully ends in scree and green meadows... here, on descent, the difficulty arises, at least if you follow Mihelič's description, where he states: "...rightmost, by the wall, descends to the right a steep chimney-like gully, where the most demanding climbing of the whole tour awaits..."... searching for that "gully" bore no fruit, because it's actually a ledge, conditionally a shelf... the ledge is equipped with bolts, but narrows greatly in the middle... exposure is huge!... yes, 4 years ago Anita Čopkov fell to her death exactly from that shelf (her memorial plaque is on one of the boulders near the bivouac)... even harder, in my opinion, is the traverse across the grassy ledges, where you absolutely can't protect yourself, so an ice axe is absolutely welcome!!... compared to climbing VKŠ and traversing to KŠ, this is considerably harder... in the opposite direction, i.e. "up", it seemed easier to me... I would advise against this variant for the inexperienced, for the others, with sense! mežikanje
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dprapr17. 05. 2020 11:53:58
All four approaches to Kotova Špica are interesting, the fifth along the whole Ponca ridge most of all.
I joined the riddle when it was already solved (hope Marjan won't hold it against me), let's continue with the next one.
Where up here?
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djimuzl17. 05. 2020 15:36:54
To Kočna?
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dprapr17. 05. 2020 17:13:33
No.
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turbo17. 05. 2020 17:26:54
Saddle Vrh Osojnika - Nizki vrh, somewhere above Baušca?
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dprapr17. 05. 2020 18:21:26
The second part of the sentence holds, just where, which peak up there?
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mirank17. 05. 2020 19:24:55
Pelc is to the right?; to the left would go towards Skutnik?
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dprapr17. 05. 2020 20:10:21
Not there.
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djimuzl17. 05. 2020 20:25:56
Towards Stador?
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dprapr17. 05. 2020 20:31:27
Yes, right above it, towards Morež.
Continue.
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djimuzl17. 05. 2020 20:53:39
Where did I wave it then?
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sebo30617. 05. 2020 21:09:08
Vrbanove špice from Kota
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djimuzl17. 05. 2020 21:13:10
Continue nasmeh
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