Non-stop riddle for beginners 2
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| ppegan29. 12. 2020 09:59:39 |
VanSims where do you get the data that Storžič is in Karawanks? As I know, and that's how we were taught, Storžič is part of KSA. I can't find that data. But I find:
"Kamnik-Savinja Alps start in the west at Žirovnica in Gorenjska, then run parallel to Karawanks via Dobrča, Kriška gora and Storžič to Kokra. Here they rise to their highest part, which adjoins Karawanks closely to the north, to the east reaches Dobrovelje above Vransko in Celje Basin. Highest mountain is Grintovec (2558 m)."
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Division of Kamnik-Savinja Alps - From west to east divided into three parts:
Storžič group in the west (Storžič 2132 m)
Central part or Grintovec group (Grintovec 2558 m)
High karst plateaus in the east (Velika planina and Dleskovška plateau).
Border between Storžič and Grintovec group is Kokra river.
And many similar records can be found 
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| ppegan29. 12. 2020 10:01:11 |
Hahahaha, I see I'm not the only one disturbed by VanSims's claim. Dec is here ornk goat shot 
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| VanSims29. 12. 2020 10:07:03 |
Between ranges there's always some valley as boundary. Upper Sava between Julians and Karawanks. Kanal between Julians and Carnics. Zila between Zilja Alps and Carnics, Anica between Turs and Dachstein or. Northern Limestone Alps, Upper Drau between Turs and Nockbergs... , ... , ....
Where does anyone see it by definition as we know between KSA and Karawanks?
Natural border is: Kokra valley, Jezersko, Pavličevo sedlo and Upper Sava valley.
Now, how folks call it, where what is, is another.
Every range has characteristics too. Bet if we compared geology of Storžič with Karawanks or KSA, it'd be closer to first.
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| ppegan29. 12. 2020 10:33:22 |
But that still doesn't change the fact that Storžič is part of KSA 
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| VanSims29. 12. 2020 10:51:42 |
That's how we divide it. Every mountain group has its own foothills. We have Pre-Julians, pre-Carnians, pre-KSA (Velika planina, Krvavec, Dleskovška, say Lepenatka, Rogatec, ...)
Where are the Pre-Karawanks?
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| nejcf29. 12. 2020 10:58:35 |
With a quick review of the internet or literature you'll find you're alone in this confusion (again). If Zgornjesavinjska Valley is the marker, then Raduha isn't in KSA either . One wonders about the credibility of your blog from distant parts of the Alps if you can't distinguish your own mountains.
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| VanSims29. 12. 2020 11:09:45 |
Yes, Raduha is already in the Karawanks, like nearby Olševa and Peca. Claiming otherwise would be mildly absurd.
Dobrča is supposed to be KSA, but just over Prevala, Begunjščica is already Karawanks. We find plenty of similar absurdities with such a division.
This is an artificial division. The geographical or natural division is just as it is. If we got used to saying the Storžič group is part of KSA (really it would be some Pre-Karawanks), that's different.
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| ejti29. 12. 2020 11:19:50 |
Raduha in Karawanks? Don't make a fool of yourself, no.
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| panda29. 12. 2020 11:23:15 |
Don't argue where what is. Holidays are at the door, calma....... I don't care what belongs where, just that I have fun in the mountains. Healthy and peaceful holidays to all together.
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| ločanka29. 12. 2020 11:29:44 |
What kind of argument is this? Bos, KSA of course, not Kočna
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| bos29. 12. 2020 11:46:13 |
So Storžič also isn't, I'll keep guessing, maybe Mrzla gora?
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| VanSims29. 12. 2020 12:01:03 |
As a curiosity I would also mention a similar 'problem' that Italians have with Friulian Dolomites, which are on this side of the Piave river and geographically belong to Carnics. They call them Dolomites anyway, because they are similarly pointed as those on the other side of the Piave river, where they officially start.
This is just an example how naming often has nothing to do with natural division.
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| turbo29. 12. 2020 12:08:16 |
Pre-Karawanks
Italians very well distinguish Dolomites from Friulian Dolomites, no problems at all. If anything, maybe it bothers someone only that the Friulian ones belong to Carnic Alps, their pre-alpine world.
https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolomiti_Friulane
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| ločanka29. 12. 2020 12:18:52 |
yes bos, Grintovec it is, from the path over Dolska Škrbina.
Nice path with nice view!
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| piotr29. 12. 2020 12:36:30 |
View with good zoom!
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| VanSims29. 12. 2020 12:56:43 |
I believe everyone reasonably smart (even if disagrees with someone and not offended) understood the point:
Just like we call the part that logically belongs under Karawanks KSA, Italians call the part that naturally belongs to Carnics Dolomites.
Some would need it drawn, because (abundant) drawing smilies (in real life mocking those who think differently), apparently peak of their intellectual abilities.
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