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Parking Ravenska Kočna and fine

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lynx21. 08. 2022 18:29:11
And what alternative for reducing traffic do the others suggest?
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felix21. 08. 2022 18:39:52
So all mayors are happily working to reduce visits or tourism in their municipalities. They get too little in their pockets, so they have to additionally fleece the citizens.
Daaam, I completely agree with your post. Thank God I've done most of our hills; now I just go more often to the neighbors, where they know how to earn with something else, not just collecting parking fees.
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zokipoki21. 08. 2022 21:46:41
Alternative to reduce traffic? zavijanje z očmi
Traffic will decrease over the years, at least that's what I think. When Instagram hikers realize that visiting mountains doesn't bring them enlightenment, there will definitely be less crowding. Interest will drop because there won't be the expected personal transformation.
Personally, I don't care if parking was 50€ everywhere, because a couple of kilometers away I could always find a discreet parking spot, hidden from inspectors and curious eyes! Slovenia still has a lot of remote areas where you can enjoy, breathe deeply, do training and feel the wilderness! Not everything is in the highest peaks!
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Daaam21. 08. 2022 21:58:54
"lynx" - it depends on what our local authorities even want to do. If they have decided to be joint-stock companies and pay out dividends at the end of the year, then of course the path they have chosen is completely correct. But if they wanted to steer the issue a bit more "user-friendly", it would require more effort than just holding one municipal council session to approve the price list, adopt a decision, and hire a contractor. First! Do we really care about nature as we shout? If yes, dear councilors, let's close everything! But really everything: roads to alpine valleys, passes including Vršič, Logarska (and Mrzla gora is close), Pokljuka, Mangart saddle (it's a dead end), huts? Drago says "everything is reachable in one day" - let's tear down everything! It was all built in shock worker style in other times, etc. etc. Then we will really calm the traffic and visits, and no one will earn anything! Only alpinists and runners will reach Triglav, chamois will run carefree (until they fall under the shots of the nature guardian), the dipper will lay eggs in peace, and the capercaillie will sing like at a concert - of course until a member of the green brotherhood #natureguardian passes by! Then we will say we care about nature! But there is also a middle way - that we enjoy this paradise, that animals live, and that locals have something from it at the end - of course I don't have an ideal solution (for a good solution that all involved parties would approve and accept, a broad social debate of all involved and experts would be needed). I just have ideas, and those ideas go more in the direction that the alpine and pre-alpine world would unify what and where to pay, and that for regular visitors there would be an economically more favorable solution, even if the number of visitors would actually be limited somewhere. In the USA, they have very limited access to the most critical points - you have to register first / somewhere even be drawn by lottery to have permission to visit, but nowhere is the point in the price - you pay symbolically a few USD - and that's limiting visits, not making money (here we're talking about areas under state or local authority - private matters are of course strictly capitalist-oriented there too - but, that's not the purpose of our authorities, is it)? Could the mayors agree on how to share the cake if they introduced a "vignette, card" that would apply to all mountain starting points? As already mentioned, every village has its own payment collection system - some only coins, some only apps (by the way, last year in some godforsaken place around Kobarid I couldn't pay the parking fee at the parking lot via app because there was no signal!! Who's crazy here!? Second option: up to say eight o'clock you are hikers and need the starting point [at] such a price; after that let it be tourist[ic] because you came during working hours. Third option - you pay parking, which counts as credit with local service providers, and so on and so on. As I wrote, I don't claim to have a solution for everything, but we could talk about it more broadly and together come to better solutions than just adopting decisions at municipal council sessions. PZS has only figs in its pocket anyway and is not relevant. And yes, first fix the infrastructure and then charge/sell it; until then, under the pretext of nature protection, they sell us the Easypark app and ramp - let them fuck off in peace.
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turbo22. 08. 2022 07:02:29
Maybe at the most trafficked starting points at peak season (July and August) they could do it so that car traffic to starting points (Vrata, Blato, Ravenska Kočna, etc.) is allowed until 7 a.m., parking reasonable, say max 5€ daily. From 7 a.m. to 1 p.m. the road would be closed to car traffic, only buses or vans allowed, running quite frequently. From 1 p.m. to 3 p.m. the road would be open again to car traffic, buses or vans not running then, so those who finished the tour could drive home and afternoon excursionists and those accessing a hut in the afternoon for next day's tour could arrive. Then from 3 p.m. to 7 p.m. bus or van without cars and from 7 p.m. to 7 a.m. next morning car traffic again. Exclusively July/August, before and after it's still tolerable for locals and visitors. Of course, for times when car traffic is not allowed, provide suitable parking lots where full-day parking also 5€ (bus or van included, more or less), half-day, i.e. from 3 p.m. onward say 3€ (also including bus or van, more or less). Bikes and walking of course 24/7 free, more or less.
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felix22. 08. 2022 07:58:31
Nice proposal, but you'll have a hard time convincing those who already cash 10 or 15 eur now.
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j.11. 03. 2025 08:11:23
Parking and cycling: updated nature conservation law is being prepared.

400 euros fine (previously 100 euros) is newly prescribed for an individual who "rides a bicycle in natural environment outside hardened paths or on paths that are not hardened."

From 800 to 1,200 euros threatened fine for anyone who "drives, stops or parks a motor-powered vehicle in natural environment and the vehicle does not stand or is not parked in a five-meter strip outside the roadway."

Already at altitude 1,000 meters the vehicle with which the offender was caught in the above-mentioned offense is mandatorily confiscated. Vehicle handed to court.

Equally strict treatment for vehicle offense on protected area or Natura 2000 area.

And many more details here.
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DVas18. 03. 2025 10:02:51
Insane to the max.
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