Poll - mountaineering gear and veganism
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| tol30. 03. 2013 14:19:43 |
Hi.
Poll on the topic of mountaineering gear and veganism.
http://www.mojaanketa.si/anketa/302054392/
It's not a topic to convince anyone of anything, but just "additional" information mainly for those already convinced. :lol:
And no, it's not another topic about what suits whom to eat and what not, what's healthy and what's not, what someone lacks and who doesn't...
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| tol30. 03. 2013 23:52:19 |
Veganism isn't really spreading ..but it's a social phenomenon you agree or disagree with... and it appears in hiking/mountaineering/alpinism too..
You can view it from "business" angle too, as segment poorly covered 
As promised this ain't topic for moral, acceptable, absurd debates...
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| Holcar230. 03. 2013 23:56:30 |
Well yeah I didn't start any discussion cuz such things degenerate fast here.
don't fully agree with veganism, but mostly held back opinion.
always someone wants to stand out.
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| dprapr31. 03. 2013 09:53:40 |
Interesting, you throw bone and say don't gnaw it!
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| tol31. 03. 2013 11:19:37 |
If anyone wants to discuss mountaineering and veganism open own thread.
If anyone wants to debate here please stick to red thread: where to buy mountaineering/alpinism gear without animal origin materials.
Not topic if such principles acceptable or not.
Understand? Usually such debates turn to mess...
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| Holcar231. 03. 2013 11:30:06 |
that's right, pricey! no debates!
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| Rutil31. 03. 2013 12:04:44 |
I'd gladly take the poll and maybe help with it; but I can't answer most questions because it's really narrowly targeted.
Personally I look at gear quality; whether it's animal or synthetic origin doesn't interest me at all and it never was (nor will be) a reason to buy or avoid a product.
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| Holcar231. 03. 2013 12:07:05 |
The poll targets vegans or people with narrow standards re the poll topic and questions match that. I also noted quality matters to me not material origin.
I did the poll no problem, my answers are carnivorous
but that's how it is
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| tol31. 03. 2013 12:25:24 |
Primarily the poll and topic really only concerns vegan/vegetarian crowd. But most don't think about that aspect at purchase.
Maybe poll is more narrowly set, but I tried so everyone can answer it.
Maybe topic for discussion
Did anyone ever see in some store a manufacturer/retailer promoting a shoe model as "vegan shoe"?
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| Holcar231. 03. 2013 12:29:24 |
not yet, if veganism spreads more and gets trendy, it might happen, but such gojzar might repel meat-eating buyers
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| tol31. 03. 2013 12:33:48 |
I don't know why it would repel anyone if it's a quality product?
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| Holcar231. 03. 2013 12:36:51 |
because this term is relatively new and many hikers still swear by leather, old animal origin material that's ecologically less harmful than non-animal plastic fantastic
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| VanSims31. 03. 2013 12:51:58 |
Regarding ecology, I agree with Karahawk. Similar with the anti-fur campaign. Faux fur burdens the environment a lot.
We can really ask what benefits nature more?
Nature is here so we get something from it too, i.e. to exploit it (sensibly). Higher living beings exploit lower ones. That's natural law.
A believer knows God told Adam and Eve: "Subdue all animal species and subject them to yourselves." By the way, that's the answer to those claiming the Bible commands veganism and Christ was a vegan (and enjoyed Easter lamb with apostles and multiplied fish in the desert).
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| tol31. 03. 2013 14:39:56 |
As for leather, untreated leather also soaks through, so for waterproof material it needs chemical treatment. Impregnation needs renewing anyway
On ecology... mass livestock farming as we know it today doesn't go hand in hand with ecology. Pesticides, chemicals and CO2 emissions heavily degrade the environment.
Meat production and consequently by-products (leather) use tons of pesticides, antibiotics and hormones contaminating the environment. Livestock contributes 50% to water source pollution.
So from this viewpoint, that using artificial materials is ecologically questionable does not hold.
I won't comment on the rest.
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| Holcar231. 03. 2013 18:05:49 |
Yes, impregnating leather and so on is true. But there is even more of it if you impregnate something synthetic.
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| VanSims31. 03. 2013 18:11:23 |
Use of artificial materials instead of natural ones is simply ecologically controversial.
But I agree also regarding the non-ecological nature of mass livestock farming. People fall for the aggressive meat industry and that outdated fable that the more meat you eat the healthier you'll be. The problem isn't that we eat meat but that we eat too much. That's not good for health either. Nothing in excess, said the old Romans already.
As I said: sensible exploitation of nature for one's own good would be best.
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| Holcar231. 03. 2013 18:20:05 |
That's true, but I also think that the topic of this poll is complete exaggeration, well, depending on who you ask.
Leather is regardless more ecological than the various plastics used e.g. by Salomon.
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| tol31. 03. 2013 18:48:25 |
I don't know in what way the exaggeration in the poll's topic would show?
To me, maybe the exaggeration is with the controversial use of synthetic material?
For example, a leather boot also has a rubber sole and filling made of plastic...
The computer from which we moderate also contains a ton of "ecologically" controversial materials...
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| Holcar231. 03. 2013 18:56:22 |
Yes, Tol, I know what you want to say but I see the exaggeration mainly in spreading veganism beyond established frameworks. It's true that every boot has some synthetic, but some have more, some less and I prefer leather boots over plastic ones.
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| Trobec2. 05. 2013 13:38:36 |
Hm...what about materials of animal origin? Ok, leather, logical.
What about plastic? Plastics are mainly obtained from processed/refined petroleum derivatives. And now we come to the formation of crude oil. I won't explain in too much detail, it's fossilized microorganisms (zooplankton, algae,...). So if we go that way, plastic is at least partly of animal origin too.
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