Possible injury in the mountains
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| Mate0730. 08. 2009 15:00:23 |
Hello
Lately I've been going to the mountains a lot especially on easier paths. I always have hiking poles, mountaineering boots, first aid, map, extra clothes, mobile phone....etc
I hope that's enough.
You never know if you'll come back to the valley intact without injuries, but suppose I fall and injure my leg or, with the help of mountain rescuers, you pay the rescue costs.
And I hope my gear is OK.
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| geppo30. 08. 2009 15:24:13 |
If they counted that you have some empty beer cans in your backpack that you emptied on the way - you'd have to pay for rescue then. (a bit of joke and truth)
regards
Rescue costs. Mountain rescue operations in Italy are free for Italians, foreigners have to
pay the costs if they don't have EU health card. Expected soon
rescue will have to be paid. In Val Gardena 100
€ contribution per rescue.
In Austria rescue costs must be paid. If not insured, bill from
2,000 to 4,000 €. Members of alpine organization insured for rescue.
In Slovenia classic and helicopter rescue in mountains free.
In case of negligence, guilt, when someone got into situation needing
rescue etc, rescue must be paid.
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| Mate0730. 08. 2009 20:00:47 |
What negligence?
That you don't have proper footwear.
That you go off marked path.
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| triglavski30. 08. 2009 20:15:27 |
Negligence as such is of course allowed until consequences arise. We can influence most negligent actions ourselves by basically excluding these negligences as much as possible. That means preparing properly for the tour, equipping correctly, of course with the condition that we know how to use the equipment properly, otherwise even the best equipment won't help much, important factor is also weather, knowledge of terrain, path and own psychophysical readiness. In serious accidents, equipment and other factors contributing to the accident are usually checked. Since so-called "social" is less, state probably won't be so generous anymore, insurance even less. Rescuers actually rescue for free, but if major negligence is found, civil protection can bill for helicopter flight. So thoughtfully and prudently to the mountains.
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| Mate0730. 08. 2009 21:11:49 |
And what should be at least the basic gear for say easier paths or partially demanding paths.
For a trip to the hills I prepare as best as I can. I definitely never go to the hills in bad weather, I always have a map with me, mobile phone on which I have saved pictures-text description of the path, ....
I plan to climb Grintovec this week via one of the easier paths, what all is needed on this path.
This portal doesn't say that you need a helmet.
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| NEIC00830. 08. 2009 21:14:23 |
No helmet needed for Grintovec via Streha.
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| Mate0730. 08. 2009 21:22:42 |
OFF:
I'm just wondering, if say I go to Kamniško sedlo (been there) and on the way back to the valley I injure myself to the extent that I can't continue the footpath to the valley...at that time I had mountaineering boots on and hiking poles, map, food, windbreaker, + some first-aid bandage.
Would I have to pay all the rescue costs in this case?
You never know what awaits you, in 10 steps.
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| Mate0730. 08. 2009 21:24:26 |
properly equipped??????
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| NEIC00830. 08. 2009 21:26:40 |
No panic. If you go in sneakers then you should pay, which is logical otherwise no.
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| Mate0730. 08. 2009 21:42:57 |
MOUNTAINEERING GEAR IN THE MOUNTAINS
1. PERSONAL GEAR:
* Mountaineering footwear that goes above the ankle with vibro-ribbed sole
* socks (cotton, wool)
* underwear – T-shirt, underpants (KDry treatment)
* pants - Schoeller (mountaineering or hiking)
* shirt – cotton or flannel
* sweater – thermovelour, fleece
* headgear – hat, cap, scarf
* gloves – leather, fleece, wool
* anorak or windbreaker
* poncho or waterproof windbreaker
* protective glasses (sun, snow)
2. GENERAL GEAR:
* backpack (backpack cover)
* hiking poles
* first aid pouch and kit
* headlamp (candle or matches)
* food and drink gear: pocket knife, spoon, fork, flask, food box
* toilet paper
* protective cream (UV factor 30)
* sewing kit
* sleeping bag (sleeping sheet for mountain hut)
3. TECHNICAL GEAR (only for very demanding tours with PZS mountain guide):
* Helmet (mandatory for very demanding tours)
* climbing harness (use only with PZS guide)
* carabiners (at least four)
* self-belay set (mandatory for very demanding tours)
* gloves
* ice axe (knowledge of use)
* crampons (knowledge of walking with them - only in snow)
What of all the listed gear we must take depends on the difficulty level of the tour and duration of the tour or trip.
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| Volk30. 08. 2009 22:06:29 |
My God, this already reminds me of the army! 
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| Mate0730. 08. 2009 22:13:12 |
What of the listed gear we must take with us depends on the difficulty level of the tour and the duration of the tour or trip.
This is the most important
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| turbo31. 08. 2009 07:33:42 |
Practice makes perfect!
For a tour you need to take all that you'll need and leave at home what you won't.
In the backpack always have first aid, flashlight and possibly astro-foil. Everything else (clothes, technical gear, etc.) depends on the tour. Over time everyone gains enough practice to know exactly what to carry and what not. There's no universal recipe. Some get cold easily and need an extra layer. Some have less experience and at least at the beginning like to clip onto every "piton" to feel safer. Others are thirsty and need more fluids. And so on....
But better to carry a piece of gear and not need it than the other way around...
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| m1. 09. 2009 16:03:00 |
Hello!
I myself haven't been much in the high mountains. Some 2 tours per year and mostly in the Julian Alps, but I think it's important to have respect for the mountains and have more gear with you, not to end up freezing like some Dutch or Belgians.
Above all I make sure to have enough to drink (but last time I overdid it a bit, dragged 7 liters of water) and warm clothes, plus some energy bar, nectarine.
And maps obligatory.
Otherwise; needs are different, but the basics should be the same. Good luck!
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| Žiga222. 09. 2009 18:26:44 |
WOW, 7 liters of water is really a bit too much.. Unless you shower during the hike .
I usually carry ca 3 liters on a full-day hike, of course it’s worth mentioning that it’s better to carry one liter more than too little.. Once it happened to me that I ran out of fluid (I had still ca 4 hours to the hut to walk) and thank God it was a good lesson, never again.
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| Mate072. 09. 2009 22:17:45 |
That means you are not prepared enough for the trip.
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| spetovar28. 09. 2009 11:31:30 |
As Mate07 wrote, the best equipment is knowledge and familiarity. You have to be aware of where you're going and how long, and also what the conditions are like there. Weather can't be predicted completely accurately, so if going to high mountains, even if fine weather is forecast, you need to be prepared for bad. But that doesn't mean carrying a whole wardrobe. A foil is enough (if you need it, it's already extreme). Nowadays there are ponchos that fold up very small. Headlamps aren't expensive, but can be very useful. Most important is not to panic if a nice hike turns into a nightmare. It's also highly desirable not to go alone, although I don't stick to that myself I do have a rule (more general than mine). Even in summer, carry warm clothes to the mountains
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| bridnk28. 09. 2009 15:19:00 |
If 30 years ago our parents could go to the mountains in pumparcas and shirts and even had red cheeks, today goretex-snobs really need all the equipment that Mate07 listed. Anyway 100 people 100 different thoughts.
7 liters of water my buddy and I had enough for 2 days in the desert, although conditions there are different.
Good luck to all on the path
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| rok8628. 09. 2009 18:01:52 |
this is already a list for some expedition
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| GITA28. 09. 2009 18:43:13 |
Well, I wouldn't call this a list for an expedition. Some of you missed the last sentence: "What all of the listed equipment we must take depends on the difficulty level of the hike and its duration or trip." and that in brackets under the third point!
Personally I would add a good MAP to the list - I always have that in my backpack!
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| JusAvgustin30. 09. 2009 20:01:49 |
Always in my backpack: first aid, headlamp, gore-tex jacket, water, sugar, for more demanding ascents also helmet, ice axe and crampons(where needed of course), lately I also carry harness and self-belay kit.
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