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| miri9. 10. 2012 19:59:37 |
@ Okmodko In the wider Idrija area it grows and very nicely. Even though temperatures reach -20 degrees or more.
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| Petr9. 10. 2012 21:30:18 |
@Okmodko
The forest stands of Arolla pine below Smrekovcem, which are declared natural assets of national importance, are on Končnikov vrh (NW of Krnes) and on Presečnikov vrh, east of the pasture or saddle Bela peč.
Interesting that you mentioned the data for Peca. According to literature it should be a few individual trees on the northern slope, probably remnant of a former stand. The location given is cirque Križe, between Kneps and Bistriška špica, at approx. 1800m a.s.l.
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| Okmodko9. 10. 2012 23:02:29 |
Petr, thanks for the useful information 
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| Holcar210. 10. 2012 18:22:34 |
Off-topic. Answer to the question? Yeah, where it grows. You got the answer as I see, and about unimportant stories that Douglas fir is not a mountain tree and what else: in the Rocky Mountains it grows up to 1800 meters, with us lower - that Pohorje one I talked about stands somewhere at 1400 meters and as you surely know, the Rocky Mountains are completely different from the Slovenian Alps. Maybe because Douglas fir has several sorts like any living organism and maybe you had another type in mind. Maybe. The one I wrote about surely is a mountain tree, generally all conifers from the pine family (spruce, fir, pine etc.) are mountain plants except pine that can grow in other climate belts. But come on please: Douglas fir is not a mountain tree! Well, you certainly understand this. Otherwise no need for such sharp talks, after all we are all just nature lovers exchanging opinions.
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| Holcar210. 10. 2012 18:33:03 |
Passing on data from encyclopedia: Latin name Pseudotsuga menziesii. Grows well both in lowlands and higher altitudes (up to 1800 m). Very adaptable tree. GROWS BEST IN COLD AREAS WITH THICK SOIL LAYER.
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| lynx10. 10. 2012 22:24:08 |
A few more spaces won't hurt, but don't forget that altitudinal belts in ecology are defined differently than in mountaineering. Montane (mountain) is lower than expected.
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| Okmodko10. 10. 2012 23:42:39 |
Again someone argues, as is typical for every thread. It is a mountain tree, yes, but I was talking about Slovenia. Sure, we find it high up here too, but that's not really its area. Read a bit more about how sensitive it is to low temperatures. Sorry if I said something like that, but it makes me a bit nervous when someone, on the question of where to find Arolla pine stands, talks about Douglas fir. I'm a forester and I've heard a lot about it, so I don't know what it's doing in the Arolla pine topic. But we can say more about spruce. On Pohorje grows Sgerm spruce, the highest in this part of Europe. Even though it doesn't grow on its natural habitat. But no worries, it can't be mixed with Arolla pine
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| Okmodko11. 10. 2012 00:37:20 |
And also, on the forest line I've noticed fir several times, but you won't find in any literature that fir is a mountain tree. Fir is a typical representative of lower hilly areas. You shouldn't conclude from individual trees what environment the tree belongs to. Especially not those planted by people. If you're interested in what environment a tree belongs to, check how that species regenerates. Go look at Douglas fir stands and you'll see no young trees high up. Then walk to Rakek and you'll find lots of regeneration. Mugo pine is a mountain species and can't thrive in lowlands. That means it doesn't regenerate. But you'll still find a bush in the city planted by man.
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| Holcar211. 10. 2012 16:22:11 |
Douglas fir I mentioned just like that, offhand (to you, Okmodko, it seemed like a story, of course), and obviously you didn't manage to read that it grows best in cold areas, so you grab that sentence again. That was the mention of Douglas fir, which shouldn't continue. And yes, I knew about Sgerm spruce too; it's 64 meters high and a bit more. I mentioned Douglas fir only because from afar it seemed similar to Arolla pine, which you can see in the picture. And now, since you've kindly reminded me, I won't mix spruce with Arolla pine anymore, which was one of my bad habits before.
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| Holcar211. 10. 2012 16:31:14 |
About Douglas fir's sensitivity to low temperatures, I haven't read anything anywhere (but earlier I mentioned its adaptability). And I never mentioned fir at all, and didn't conclude from whatever that Douglas fir is a mountain tree; I didn't need to, because I knew it. Definitely in Slovenia it grows on sites which, by altitude, I couldn't call anything but mountainous. It's true that forestry is your field and maybe I don't know about it and mix spruce with Arolla pine, but still you can't refute the claim that Douglas fir is a mountain tree, which was, by the way, mentioned casually and not with the intention to create a new subtopic in the existing one. So, no need to lose more words on Douglas fir, in my opinion. 
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