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| dprapr26. 12. 2015 17:04:44 |
http://www.gore-ljudje.net/novosti/123428/#19700101010000
Article title from PV, not the most suitable for those with high blood pressure issues.
One gets the feeling that some kind of law is being prepared that will allow visiting the mountains in certain areas only to the "initiated".
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| GregorC26. 12. 2015 17:57:20 |
What else is to be expected from us, where we solve problems with limiting and prohibiting Along the line of least resistance, of course.
As long as the park is not mostly financed from its own revenues obtained from its activities, but is hooked up to the taxpayer financial infusion, they can afford such moves.
Which is a shame, because the park has great potential, which will obviously remain unused for a long time.
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| viharnik26. 12. 2015 19:01:55 |
This issue of restricting movement in TNP they've been forging at least two years ago. They say they even plan to completely ban ascents on Fužinski vršaci, pastures and elsewhere. In the cathedral, just at Christmas mass, they said that man in new times already dares to take everything his own way, from laws, ethics of behavior, rules, norms..., as even the competent living Jesus never judged anyone or set rules for him. He told followers only: Follow me and after my departure do not make a faith out of Me, teach only as I myself taught you.
So in Austria and elsewhere, national parks never make movement-restricted areas, but only provide the park's protection rules.
In our case, it's hunting lobbies, which are probably connected to the tops of TNP and have government support, since there are quite a few hunting bosses' families in political waters.
All nature and our TNP is public good and we received it as a gift from Mother Earth, who is very divinely intelligent, so I can't imagine that every office moth could shape it his own way and ratify it via connections under the table also at our ministry for environment and space. For our TNP to be somehow different from foreign parks and for someone to thus arbitrarily introduce some 26 micro-locations with restricted movement regime in the park is already a bit too much. Even that mountain game they want to slaughter and drag into the greed of materialism.
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| Daaam26. 12. 2015 20:17:31 |
Crazy
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| miri26. 12. 2015 20:38:29 |
When they clear all "technical obstacles" across Slovenia, they will be able to fence TNP 5 m high. You will see, chamois the size of elephants. I don't know yet why they will use rifles?
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| lynx27. 12. 2015 16:50:34 |
Ok, what about something more constructive? Pressure on space increases also due to us. How to reduce it other than with limiting?
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| viharnik27. 12. 2015 17:17:55 |
Larifari.
Highland wildlife is quite accustomed to us mountaineers, familiar and knows that it is not threatened. Worse for it if so-called "protected areas" emerge where hunters hold all the reins, incl. culls. And that's the aim of the park's "additional protection", of course with big excuse. Animal retreats to quiet area way before human encounters and any haggling over movement limits is totally unnecessary.
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| pikica127. 12. 2015 18:08:05 |
You are right, you wrote this @viharnik. Bloodsuckers will go on bloody hunts killing animals. Terrain closed so no need to watch every corner for a hiker. They smelled money and gonna play hunting tourism.
I'll never get how killing animals is sport and fun for someone. Bastards, don't like them at all.
Then they say hikers disturb them. Just snap a pic and go our own ways. Wildlife, if you make no racket, doesn't flee at all.
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| lynx27. 12. 2015 18:52:26 |
What larifari? Have you never startled a ptarmigan, grouse or chamois round a corner? Birds you can accidentally almost trample. They can't always retreat timely, nor is it always easy (winter). Still, quiet areas are just for that purpose you mentioned - so they have somewhere to withdraw without others disturbing them again. Partly analogous to home.
The document doesn't touch hunting plans/culls much, no regime change. So really don't know what nonsense you two are spouting about them. In the first protection zone, where most (all?) quiet areas will be, hunting stays banned.
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| viharnik27. 12. 2015 19:58:18 |
Heh, heh, hunting will remain forbidden...(especially where there's no one)...just like everything in our country.
Let the initiators of these protected area ideas tell me how they'll keep the animals only in those exact spots in the mountains with such measures. After all, Ibex or Chamois isn't a Cow in a barn, and that animal in winter seeks sun and wind-sheltered spots and also finds some grass tuft under the snow for its teeth. But now because of a handful of winter mountaineers who weekly cross some gully or ridge, the animal will be particularly interested in that. Come on, we still have some straw in our heads .
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| lynx27. 12. 2015 20:45:46 |
What you wrote is a diversion of attention, bad rhetorical practice and has nothing to do with reality (no one will restrict animals to those areas). And game must remain wild, not domestic, already from a linguistic point of view. 
What bothers me is that I can't find the definition of individual quiet zones anymore and why they were chosen. I'd swear it was included in one of the previous versions.
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| viharnik28. 12. 2015 15:53:16 |
Here it's not about any diversion of attention or, better said, the essence of why someone decides to impose their own movement criteria in a park that is a common good, thereby limiting mountaineers.
For using, say, a climbing path, a single mountaineer uses only those 40 cm width of the line space in the entire 85,000 ha that Triglav National Park measures, if the name national still befits it?.
Therefore according to them, an animal on such surfaces does not have enough space to retreat where it instinctively suits it best?. A chamois can retreat so fast that mountaineers will still be panting along the ridge on Prisank when it will already be basking on Razor and watching them. In winter, the area with mountaineers is actually estimated at less than 10% of the park, in summer a bit more, but even then there is still huge unvisited space for the animal to retreat, because such climbing mountaineers who would disturb their peace can be counted on the fingers of the hands. In these matters, deeper arguments and privileges of some are hidden, who want to subjugate locations for their own benefit, because nature regenerates itself without their ideas on paper. This also shows neglect of mountaineering as the basic activity of the park, on the basis of which it was once founded. I am exclusively against any additional manipulation of the park that bypasses established practices and guidelines for park protection, which all our neighboring alpine countries know, and such arbitrary ideas must be nipped in the bud. If they keep talking nonsense, like in the Lord of the Rings, this time all viharniks will gather against such barren ideas.
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| lynx28. 12. 2015 17:21:29 |
Of course it's a diversion, like the one above, because you've introduced a new argument again and we haven't progressed. It's about quiet areas that of course won't be right next to hiking trails. Restriction to marked paths is also nothing new or unique in European space.
But you nicely hit the essence: nature regenerates itself, WITHOUT US.
The original question still remains ...
Unfortunately, they didn't provide cartographic attachments, so everything is less transparent.
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| viharnik28. 12. 2015 18:17:32 |
Look, Lynx, with our human interventions we have mostly harmed nature in history rather than preserved it.
Holy Mother said: Human selfish science constantly researches what was all created by God in ancient times. But they can't reach the roots of creation because they don't know how to reach their spiritual depths. Thus without ego we would approach nature closest, understand and respect it and worship it as our own Mother Earth, from which we all depend.
Mother says: Whoever is enlightened doesn't need research and answers, everything in nature oscillates in pure harmony and is perfect in itself. God created everything for us to just enjoy this ambience. Sometimes Indian tribes, if they took something from nature, settled it in rituals and apologized.
We will protect TNP park best if we all as individuals realize this living greatness that feels everything, preserves itself, makes all seasons on itself, feels who walks on it, we just deeply respect it, we can't do anything else, that's enough.
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| lino28. 12. 2015 18:47:46 |
Gorolazka, that's a post that says a lot and doesn't anger anyone. Regards
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| lynx28. 12. 2015 20:50:03 |
Expecting mass understanding and insight is the current de facto regime. Which obviously doesn't work sufficiently. We won't solve it by ignoring the problem.
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| pikica128. 12. 2015 21:11:03 |
I think there should be a referendum.
It's for the animals.
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| grega_z_brega28. 12. 2015 21:15:45 |
God forbid that same-sex couples are allowed to adopt rejected animals, right?
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| pikica128. 12. 2015 22:03:35 |
I think animals don't have any serious problems with this.
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| djimuzl27. 04. 2020 10:38:27 |
In this year, the implementation of the first "quiet zones" in TNP is planned - on Pokljuka, Vitranc and Mangart Saddle.
https://www.tnp.si/sl/javni-zavod/obvestila/uveljavljanje-mirnih-obmocij-v-najbolj-ranljivih-delih-triglavskega-narodnega-parka/
In the coming years, "quiet zones" should gradually be implemented throughout the entire park, (poorly) visible on the attached image, the named list of areas is visible on pages 202-206 of the document
"Triglav National Park Management Plan 2016–2025".
Link to the full document:
https://www.tnp.si/assets/Javni-zavod/Nacrt-upravljanja/JZ-TNP-Nacrt-upravljanja-TNP-2016-2025.pdf
Detailed specifications of the areas (i.e. their exact locations and precise extent) are not listed in the document, but from the names of the areas (and the attached, somewhat unclear map of quiet zone locations) we can infer where they plan them, and there is also a specification of activities that will be undesirable in them.
As Drago hinted when opening this forum, many won't like these implementations; I myself like to visit quite a few of the listed areas.
I hope they won't really restrict them to the point that we'll consequently be "condemned" only to Knafelc...
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