janez73 that's exactly what this forum is for, at least I think so, sharing tips, experiences, opinions....! It's not for insulting those who think differently, at least I think so! Even someone who only loves feratas might stop at the hut at Zelenica, drink and eat something, and maybe contribute to the PD cash register, which then goes to developing the mountaineering center, path maintenance, etc., etc... and the circle is successfully closed. What I want to say, if we are tolerant to each other, work together, only then can we succeed! Abroad is a good indicator and teacher for us!