I was at the introductory meeting of AS Kamnik. I'm older than 35 and my goal isn't a couple of harder trips. In the classroom there were about 30 of us by my estimate... mostly younger. I immediately thought there's no room for me here. I still listened to what they had to say. And indeed as "tol" says, they presented the strategy and working with youth preferably around 20 years old. And I agreed that they want 12 members who will become a team and maybe someday real alpinists and bring something useful to the section in the future. But when the young guy started with the prices I thought that's too much. I soon left the classroom. It's true they don't have a published program and we didn't get it either. They just briefly mentioned what they would do in their AS. I don't agree with you "tol" that if you're older you hinder the AS... I think those of us deciding to attend AS at this age know what it means and we can also assess our abilities and the seriousness of the visit might even be greater. According to the AS Kamnik rules there's no upper age limit, you need to present your difficult or very difficult trips, you need to do a test trip... and regarding the favorable price: for me personally price is unimportant if I want to gain knowledge. And also: I sent my application, from which my year of birth was visible, by email to both guys who will lead the AS and they could have nicely arranged that the strategy is "work on youth" and believe me, I would have stayed home. There are other sections and AS where older ones won't hinder the work. Seriousness and commitment isn't a matter of "youth".