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pantani18. 09. 2021 20:17:28
Personally, the restrictions for us who didn’t choose vax don’t bother me at all, although they seem extremely stupid to me in themselves... Likewise, the ban on entering public spaces isn’t much of a motive for vaccination for me... You can always improvise... What doesn’t kill you makes you stronger... I see personal risk as the only motive for vaccination, while the phenomenon of collective vaccination for this type of virus seems somehow pompous to me, above all very naive... The virus will remain and spread even if 100% of us get vaccinated... Time will show that it’s completely enough to vaccinate the vulnerable... And reduce unnecessary panic in society...
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Becar8. 09. 2021 20:43:24
Given what NIJZ now makes you sign at vaccination, it’s completely clear that panic has gripped them. But ringing after the hail is too late, they should have given that to sign at the first vaccination. At the same time, it puts ZZS in a lie, which publicly announced that it’s vaccines with full approval, which of course wasn’t true from the very beginning. Well, all that is being collected as evidence. I would in their place slowly start looking for some residence in Argentina. Otherwise, I think you have to be really a bit brainwashed to sign what they’re giving now at vaccination.
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lino8. 09. 2021 20:43:48

Becar, thanks for unblocking us, us second-class ones. You’re good as bread! nasmeh
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Becar8. 09. 2021 20:49:48
And just so I don't forget, the statistical portal I wrote to about why they still don't have 2020 mortality data in September gave no response.

Even more, I notice they just shifted the data by 4 days, now from 12.9.2021 to 5.10.2021. In previous years, data was published in June. Significant? Probably depending on who you ask nasmeh

If you ask me, they are under pressure from the covid mafia, which of course offers plenty of $$$$$, and the matter has now gone so far that even if this portal lies, it'll be hard to align with others that have already published data for quite a few countries. So this will be interesting, as the noose tightens around the necks of these criminals. The truth will come out regardless of their influence and money.
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Trobec8. 09. 2021 21:16:04
Stop with the nonsense he wrote...velik nasmehvelik nasmeh

This is even better humor than Primož's cool
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zavest8. 09. 2021 21:55:11
Bećar, once again: click on "Show source" and post a screenshot or link to the data source. Provide proof that the data source is FRESH, not again 2019 population projections (forecasts). Then we can talk further. Until then, all your posts about mortality are OUTDATED mežikanje

You probably haven't heard that you can publish old data and projections multiple times and the publication date will be today's, actually exactly like what you're doing. On a daily basis.

In short, if I paraphrase your sentence:
If your interest in forum membership is posting fake news (and that's evident from your posts), then you're pathetic or seriously ... mežikanje
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zavest8. 09. 2021 22:16:27
Otherwise, it's infinitely ironic again that someone hysterically yells FASCISTS and CENSORSHIP, while at the same time immensely rejoicing at the announced even worse introduction of the notorious 133rd article with fines for insult zavijanje z očmi
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Becar8. 09. 2021 22:42:31
If I'm yelling fascism (not fascists as you say), it's because we have a situation where, for example, inspectors are still issuing fines for masks that are unconstitutional and illegal, which the court has ALREADY decided. That means state organs are committing a criminal act knowingly. To me, that's the same as, say, blackshirts. It started somewhere, now it's escalating. All of Europe is amazed at what autocracy is happening in SLO, let me mention STA, media control, private propaganda TVs, insults at the highest state level, new and new unconstitutional decrees, constant scaremongering of the people, lying about vaccine status by top health institutions, supporting neonazism in public institutions, mobbing doctors with different opinions, threats of dismissal, placing party colleagues in all top state positions, complete censorship of doctors and lawyers who think differently than covid... well, that's fascism, even if you stand on your head. Let me tell you, I already saw pictures today of new, already prepared camps for the unvaccinated in Australia. Exactly like that, fascism started in pre-war Italy too.
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zavest8. 09. 2021 23:03:20
But is the introduction of fines for insult FASCISM in your view or not?

Do you realize that this is also one of the levers for silencing the people and curbing protests against many things you just described? And you're REJOICING about it? zavijanje z očmi
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Janez528. 09. 2021 23:07:31
More people, more wisdom. But I'm interested in an answer to this question. I trust my personal doctor and got vaccinated on her advice. But I wouldn't trust her if she started, with great certainty, giving advice on law or engineering. Actually, such an action on her part would cast a shadow of doubt on her medical advice too, in my opinion. Now I'm wondering how I should believe various engineers or lawyers on this forum that I made a mistake by getting vaccinated.
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grega_z_brega8. 09. 2021 23:53:58
Well, wait and see what time shows....
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gely9. 09. 2021 05:37:47
money, money, money, money.....
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SamoK9. 09. 2021 06:44:44
grega z brega, if your house was on fire, would you also wait for time to show, or would you call the firefighters?
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Janez529. 09. 2021 07:35:01
The same quote as gely posted, Becar. In his post it said:
"This fragment is an excerpt from his book 'A Brief History of the Future', published in France in 2006." I also read the post cited by SamoK. And because I have time and I'm curious and to check what's true, I read Jacques Attali's book A Brief History of the Future. A very interesting book that left a strong impression on me. But I didn't find the quote that gely and Becar cite in the whole book.
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Becar9. 09. 2021 07:37:22
Janez52, what about when you ask at the market, is this tomato of yours good? Mmmmmmm sir, this tomato is excellent, from green valleys sunlit, organically grown....And yet you'll trust the seller, since he's been selling tomatoes for 40 years!

Well, that's the logic you have. I have one where even if the doctor says vaccination is OK, vaccines have full approval, I'll still look at the NIJZ vaccination form, where it says:

- that you receive a vaccine that is neither recommended nor approved for use
- that the 3rd dose is not even registered for use
- that unregistered use of the vaccine is at your request and responsibility

That's now written for the 3rd dose or 2nd mixed dose. The same should have been signed for the 1st dose, but they "forgot".

So we're not talking about doctors, engineers and lawyers here, but about naive, enlightened and corrupt and honest ones. And about doctors who tell you they'll collapse from overload, but in reality get it at work for 20 euros.....

So Janez look, I'd rather ask the market seller what he thinks about vaccines, he'll tell you more truthfully.

Pssst, let me whisper to you (don't talk around, it's 10 years in jail), some doctors advise against this vaccination! There are huge concerns from the profession about these vaccines, you just won't see it on the news. But Pirnat said on Odmevi: The state of all media in SLO is ALARMING (and surprisingly they didn't drag him out of the studio). mežikanje
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Becar9. 09. 2021 07:51:11
Janez, please post a photo of the book you're reading, even if possible in a way that authenticity can be checked, say a Slovenian calendar next to it etc.... So we can quickly check if there's something to it, or you're just making it up. You know, you also have to gain credibility, just like your doctor.
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VanSims9. 09. 2021 08:06:02
"Again I was warned that I'm being insulted and the published data is disputed."

Nothing should be disputed ...

"The moderators will be happy with ones like you ..."

Another reason to abolish the section that can only bring them trouble (one way or another).

As for lawsuits, I advise you against them, at least to those you also insulted yourself. At least in my case, you'll get a counter lawsuit.
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Becar9. 09. 2021 08:22:33
It can be disputed, why not? But without misleading with data and without insulting nasmeh I know it will be hard for some, but you'll have to get used to it. Or pay for that need to insult into the state treasury. One could say, everyone has their hobby. And if insulting makes you very happy, you'll be willing to pay something for it, right. Like if as a fisherman you buy a professional fishing rod for a euro mežikanje
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Janez529. 09. 2021 08:43:20
Becar I don't intend to prove what I read. On this forum there are people who will believe me on my word and also people who won't believe me even with evidence. The simplest is for you to read the book yourself and check what's true and what isn't.
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