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| grega_z_brega16. 03. 2020 22:30:33 |
Well, you won't find it. Just common sense can tell you not to poke into the "hornet's nest".
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| grega_z_brega16. 03. 2020 22:40:18 |
I don't understand why you need to publicly justify your actions. You just do things as you know and that's it. What you bring home is your problem and your 5/4 family. The rest hope you won't carry it further.
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| nejcf16. 03. 2020 22:49:51 |
I don't know what kind of advice/info exchange the author of this topic came for and why exactly this forum. He had plenty of advice and instructions on all other media these last days. Maybe he'll finally learn that on this forum it doesn't take long until it goes completely off topic, which has proven many times (of course as far away from mountains as possible, although the forum is dedicated to them).
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| VanSims17. 03. 2020 00:17:20 |
This Pezdir is absolutely right!
Last year we had 160 flu deaths here. Average is a couple dozen up or down, doesn't play a major role. Lombardy has cca. 10 million people. From flu they die there say times five! i.e. 800. Leave some hundred up or down, in general interpolation holds because winter climate in Lombardy is similar to ours - prealpine.
Po Valley is open to Adriatic which is only submediterranean and not true mediterranean like beyond Apennines in Tuscany, but on the other side surrounded by Alps (central and colder) on one and Apennines on the other side which practically cancels Adriatic influence in winter. Otherwise if we'd say it's mediterranean which is general belief of average educated tourist or Milan shopper, it'd be even worse for us.
Well and how many have died in Lombardy so far? Let me whisper to you:
https://www.corriere.it/salute/malattie_infettive/20_marzo_16/coronavirus-italia-27980-casi-positivi-2158-morti-bollettino-16-marzo-f8905aee-67a2-11ea-93a4-da8ab3a8afb1.shtml
That's first cell from top in red column right under DECEDUTI (deceased). Already now well above regular flu. Yeah because didn't act timely. And despite measures the number still rises by some 100 a day, just Lombardy of course.
With such late action we'd have around 250 dead here. And that's only when things stagnate a bit. Total hmm up to 500 I'd dare say. At least!
How many without any action or like now? When no sanctions for violators? And people still socialize and would more if certain things weren't closed? Don't dare guess the number. Cultural-demographic-social differences lower it a bit (we don't socialize that much, don't hug, don't kiss, not oldest population in Europe like Italians, kids leave home earlier (less transmission from younger to older vulnerable), though not as early as in Germany for ex. plus Italians known as bigger "packers") but I think wouldn't reduce number significantly esp. since these differences less pronounced in north than south. North also younger as young from south flee north and mainly older pop stays there.
That's it!
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| SamoK17. 03. 2020 07:58:26 |
Just to be clear, many more people die from poor diet and general lifestyle habits, plus a bunch of other "civilization" factors, but no one gets too upset about that.
And one more thing. It's been known for a long time that the mortality of the new virus is about 10 times higher than the flu - so maybe that above doctorate on Lombardy wasn't even necessary.
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| korl17. 03. 2020 08:54:57 |
Grandpas and grandmas aren't suitable babysitters, but in some cases you can't help it. Sometimes grandpa is dad at the same time
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| VanSims17. 03. 2020 10:15:39 |
@SamoK: based on the second paragraph one would say you understand the situation, the "doctorate" on the most developed Italian region (probably with better developed healthcare than ours which should worry us given our conditions) was needed for those who don't understand it.
Because I doubt people understand the point of these measures. Unfortunately no one explains it to them which is one of the key mistakes of the authorities because otherwise people would understand and implement them more easily. Primož highlighted a German study saying we'll be infected at least 50% anyway. One would believe that given the data for e.g. swine flu, around a billion people got infected (only less than a million got sick, about 14000 died, 13 in our country)
The ten times higher mortality must be viewed in the light of exponential growth at the start of the epidemic and unpreparedness for it. The point of these measures is precisely to get infected slowly otherwise the health system would collapse as is happening now in Italy because this virus is even worse than H1N1. This way we can also prepare or gain time (including procurement of equipment, ventilators,...). There will be fewer deaths (and those with lifelong consequences which is hardly talked about) because we'll handle them more easily and treat them appropriately and in the long term maybe really bring them to the statistically even level of "other civilization factors". Maybe a vaccine and/or remedy will be available by then.
I agree with Primož that fitness is also a good defense but of course with activities we lower the difficulty level so as not to tempt fate and of course avoid contact with others.
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| Sorok17. 03. 2020 14:11:00 |
I myself am in the risk group and... don't worry too much, just stick to the rules. Plus there are "on the schedule" beautiful days and - the sun is the best doctor
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| SamoK17. 03. 2020 19:45:15 |
>Few greet back, most pass by like zombies
Isn't that normal for Ljubljana? 
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| miri18. 03. 2020 07:01:26 |
We can be happy that the country has "intellectuals" like you, who explain (your) problems to us in pictures and snippets.
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| herman818. 03. 2020 08:44:23 |
The strangest thing to me is that suddenly after the outbreak of this virus, the fanatical anti-vaxxers have disappeared from all portals. The little lambs have gone quiet.
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| SamoK18. 03. 2020 08:54:54 |
herman8, logic is obviously a complete stranger to you.
Namely, even those who are vaccinated five times for everything that crawls and walks are currently equally susceptible to infection from a completely new virus.
(Keyword NEW.)
If something isn't clear to you, just ask more.
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| herman818. 03. 2020 09:06:55 |
Obviously you don't grasp what I wanted to say or you read poorly. If you don't grasp something, that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
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| VanSims18. 03. 2020 09:28:44 |
>>>>Isn't that normal for Ljubljana?
Not even for nature trips. There people already greet quite a bit, not just above 2000m.
Yesterday at Planina nad Vrhniko and Ulovki, some just nod their heads, smile (yes, really, a smile is sometimes more beneficial for the soul than an automatically learned 'good day!') or mumble something.
We kept distance at the top. When I got to the tower the one who was up there went down right away.  Even one friendly dog was rubbing around me but this time exceptionally I didn't pet it!
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| korl18. 03. 2020 09:54:19 |
"selfie king" primoza, flipping through all TV channels, but nowhere do I see when you'll have a press conference. This new government is obviously irresponsible and professionally incompetent, because they didn't include you in the crisis staff.
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| julius18. 03. 2020 10:16:22 |
Korl!
Be practical. I enlarged his selfies and then stuck them in the pantry. All living things fled from there (grain moths, cockroaches, mice etc.
Even grandchildren don't dare into the pantry to take an apple, cookie or...
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| j.18. 03. 2020 11:21:30 |
Instructions how to block messages of a specific user:
In general discussions (also elsewhere, but not everywhere) select the topic. Click the "Settings" tab and enter the username of the one whose messages you don't want to see anymore. Press "Block". It's done.
Troll appears in the list of blocked users, where you can always unblock him.
Good luck!
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| piotr18. 03. 2020 14:11:41 |
@julius, but you report nothing about possible miraculous power of selfies against coronavirus. 
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