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| felix20. 03. 2020 18:28:31 |
Stop pounding with these bans! What's better for a person than fresh air and sun - vitamin D. Who will be harmed by a walk to Pohorje or Velika Planina? On such paths we can avoid each other by 10 meters, won't endanger anyone. Much bigger threat are our authorities!
If anyone's interested, I'm in the risk group.
Regards
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| exwannabe20. 03. 2020 18:35:59 |
Functional literacy is the devil. Mountains, hills, climbing, walking. Yeah, all one and the same.
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| felix20. 03. 2020 19:08:39 |
Have you heard Hojs's statement on limiting movement to own municipality? Don't you tell me about illiteracy!
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| djimuzl20. 03. 2020 19:29:51 |
The problem is currently mass participation in such "movement" on traditionally already well-visited walking, excursion and hiking spots and paths, which gives basis to Hojs & co. to adopt such unpleasant add-ons to this "notorious" decree.
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| VanSims20. 03. 2020 21:44:04 |
OK, now let one tell me if you can get infected from one, if you meet him less than 1m and greet? Because when I went for walks in previous days in forests - there at meetings you can't keep distance (let alone e.g. in high mountains). At summits or trip goals it was good, that needs to be praised. Unless of course then on the drive back through settlements, I saw quite a few violations again.
And because of such 'idiots' (please, a French minister called them that and I don't understand why we're still politically correct here and no politician calls a spade a spade) we'll be limited to our own municipality, which means that some can only go to hillocks, some maybe not even that, some can afford high mountains. And once you're up there, crossing to another municipality practically no one will be able to ban or control. Provided of course that you return to your own municipality without descending into another.
And that's discrimination. That e.g. Primož and his family posse (whatever part it will be), will have the whole KSA available (not that there's anything wrong, don't misunderstand Primož, it's just an example) but me only our local hillock, hop into the neighboring municipality through the forest already illegal. In low mountains a cop or warden can be found. Who will just warn (then what's the point of the measure), but I will have to interrupt the trip or turn around if I don't want a fine for disobeying the order of an official person.
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| j.20. 03. 2020 23:40:16 |
Today on Krim. I chose a less crowded path, on the way to the summit I met a few hikers, we all avoided each other as properly as possible. At the top, in the wind shelter of the closed hut, there was a cheerful and loud group huddled in the corner. They probably weren't all from the same place, but obviously they followed the advice like "Stop hammering with these bans!".
In Lombardy with 10 million inhabitants, there have been 2550 deaths so far (380 today alone), recalculated to Slovenia that means 510 (or 76 today). Most experts agree that it's because they started the measures too late there or people didn't follow them.
Felix, do you accept co-responsibility if something similar happens here because of your calls and those like you? And before you respond, check Pikica's and Ub77's posts a few lines above and delve into the high number of pluses for Hribi.net. In my opinion, these are not just worthless Facebook-like likes but primarily expressed support for those who, in difficult times with their work, exposure, and sacrifice, make it possible for the state and everything around us to somehow "barely" function anymore.
The state (as much as we still have it, Slavoj Žižek would say now is the time to prove itself) will of course defend itself in the given situation. The next measure will probably be restricting movement to one's own municipality. Police and army at intersections could follow, army transporting bodies, curfew, house arrest version... We don't know other defenses like limiting contacts for now, so probably no other way. But measures will certainly escalate also because numerous individuals, emboldened by thoughtless forum calls of the tavern type, ignore all the bans that are still somewhat tolerable for now and even rescuers' requests for safe and rational behavior.
This will be tough for all of us! And to be clear: I don't intend to thank you and your like-minded people for such a state!
Good luck!
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| felix21. 03. 2020 08:28:53 |
Man, is hiking in the mountains now only for the chosen ones? You went to Krim yourself, but others have to stay home according to you? And stop bullshitting with statistics and causing panic.
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| guki21. 03. 2020 11:24:56 |
As if reading an Italian forum from 3 weeks ago.
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| nejcf21. 03. 2020 14:27:15 |
Last Sunday my dad and I went to Veliki Javornik. On the whole path we didn't meet a single person. On Wednesday we climbed Gozdnik. In the forest somewhere distant voices were heard, then we spotted a couple at 10 meters distance. I really don't know why those of us who know the mountains well and know where there are practically no people shouldn't go into nature, since isolation there is the same as being at home.
As for possibly restricting movement within one's own municipality, that's completely nonsensical. Many rural municipalities don't even have their own shop, let alone post office, health centers etc.
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| julius21. 03. 2020 22:58:52 |
All this smart talk exceeds all measures.
Are you all with primoza at the helm really such shits, or selfish idiots, that with your actions you'll fuck over innocent citizens of small municipalities and even suburban ones of Ljubljana city because you simply won't let it sink in to stay home-HOME. We, residents of suburban and other small municipalities, will be left without basics because of you, as we'll have to stay within our municipality borders like you. You'll have everything at hand as now, we'll have zero point Josef.
You're really good, solidary and what else can I say.
Primoza!? Trust me what devil drove you to Ermanovec??? Don't you have enough mountains, hills and slopes within Kamnik municipality??
Because of such egoistic actions we'll be screwed.
For days all parking lots under Krim are full of tin. You'll keep normal supply and some whatever customers from surroundings, we'll have 20% more expensive local shops, like for example big stores in Ljubljana.
Really, on behalf of all owners of the beautiful nature you so love to trample through regardless if mountain paths, forest lanes, criss-cross through forest, also meadows and shamelessly through gardens and even yards. Don't worry. In future we'll also clean up all the mess after you. Trail markers could legalize besides Knafelc mark also paper tissues you so diligently throw away
Maybe someone will say I'm generalizing, but no. As old mountaineer and more I distinguish visitors of mountains and "visitors of mountains". I also distinguish idiots who literally fight each other in competition who will be more times on hill XY in year 0/0, so at end of some period get t-shirt, goulash and beer and so all others see it's him. Bravo! I respect all who appreciate rescuers' work and thus follow their instructions
And about spreading corona virus in nature. Have you met on your paths a lady or gentleman who poured a liter of deodorant on themselves before going to mountains. Ten minutes after meeting the disgusting smell lingers in the air behind them. Same with the virus.
I think this is written clearly enough for normal people, except for ....
Tadej, you decide if some expressions are too harsh and delete this writing. I think they're still too mild.
And one more! How big idiot do you have to be to drive to Logarska dolina and then harass people at tourist farms to serve you.
Einstein didn't say for nothing:
Human stupidity and universe are boundless, but for universe I'm not quite sure.
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| herman822. 03. 2020 06:59:59 |
julius... Finally one told them what they deserve, those who think they know everything but actually know nothing. One really belly-laughs at the idiotic comments on these pages. Nevertheless, I ask all those bullshitters please don't stop writing nonsense and keep providing salvos of laughter on these pages.
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| VanSims22. 03. 2020 09:33:51 |
Of course, every smart person these days will avoid vulgo-plebeian mass targets like Šmarna Gora, Krim, Rožnik and similar. But on relatively uncrowded paths and hills and of course easy paths, which in this season also means below about 1500m, why not? After all, recreation and walks are allowed, even recommended. Even in Italy experts advised the government to still allow it. Where should we walk then? In parks, cities, sports fields? There's even more people there! And there I'd be even more pissed off seeing how some still carefree socialize. This way I only see a few individuals on the drive to the starting point and back.
Let everyone judge if Ulovka (from Planina pri Vrhniki), Limbarska gora and Štefanja gora (with Jamna peča) are suitable. If on top you choose even less crowded paths to such peaks, I think no problem. Provided of course you keep distance to others. That you don't stop on the way there and back (food from home then), for me unfortunately also no ice cream after the tour. 
But I won't give up beer after the tour! The stock in the car (which was made anyway because of cheating innkeepers abroad and often already closed shops after return from tour) now comes in very handy! 
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| oldtimer 5522. 03. 2020 09:42:57 |
Many memories of beautiful tours shorten the time for me in days when I avoid mountain visits. STAY HEALTHY, AND GOOD LUCK!
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| miri22. 03. 2020 09:49:02 |
@oldtimer55, you're not alone. Old folks already said.
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| nejcf22. 03. 2020 10:32:12 |
@julius
- if you looked closely you'd see that at the time of my ascents the government had NOT yet discouraged/forbidden trips to nature but they were even highly recommended and suggested
- you say you're not a generalizer but that's exactly what you are. You talk how city visitors litter your beloved hills, while I on most trips have a bag with me into which I put trash along the way. Well, so you don't think I'm bullshitting and smartassing again, I've added below a picture of my cleanup action at Lovrenc Lakes to refresh your memory. In future you can send pictures from some too.
@herman8
I wouldn't about who knows what, since we don't know each other. But still I can say I haven't seen anything more than mushrooms from you.
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| 2061alessio22. 03. 2020 10:50:43 |
in FVG from Friday and in the whole of Italy from Saturday walking is forbidden everywhere, now they have officially closed industries and all companies "not absolutely necessary", fines are high and they patrol roads also in small villages, unfortunately real dictatorship, at least probably no other way ; I wonder if we'll manage? if we mountaineers used to nature will hold out? because this thing will last quite a while, I don't know hold on.
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| bogorski22. 03. 2020 10:54:58 |
If possible - buy local. Farmers also need to survive. You need to invest quite some money and work into the field. Call the supplier and arrange. You can exchange anywhere - without direct contact. Good luck.
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| julius22. 03. 2020 11:07:26 |
@nejcf
I don't argue with a grandson your age, so I won't with you either. With him we solve dilemmas and problems in conversation.
I wish you lots of luck and success so that you can approach me and compare with me.
You know, everything written in my post holds true.
Best regards.
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| geppo22. 03. 2020 11:29:18 |
Tadej
the virus is successfully spreading in the current conditions. Quite a few visitors are already infected. All efforts to prevent the spread of infection are in vain. Hotspots are appearing from Julijci to mid-mountains. The origin is almost impossible to locate. Use some disinfectant so that no epidemic occurs...
regards
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| SamoK22. 03. 2020 11:35:49 |
geppo, I think you don't understand the meaning and role of forums.
Forum doesn't mean only informing about concrete things (conditions ...), but debate among forum members.
Since always forumers discussed what interests them most or roasted. For some it's sausages and sexy daughter, for others epidemic that will change the world at least for the next decade.
Especially in current conditions, when we're all more or less stuck at home, it's almost inhuman to call for cutting these debates, whether you like them or not.
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