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pantani114. 11. 2021 15:12:38
I really don't understand why vaccinated are so aggressive towards us unvaccinated, healthy ones, who according to them are guilty that they are not free. Vaccinated should be protected from infection, also from severe course of infection if it happens (why, if first promises were that vaccinated can't get sick at all), they should walk around free, without masks. If for vaccinated freedom is that you have to show vaccine certificate and ID everywhere, then they don't understand what freedom is. And let them think a bit about us, we healthy unvaccinated under same conditions, where can we even go. With that, tested negative at least we can feel safe that we really don't infect anyone. Vaccinated can also get infected, transmit virus, end up on ventilator or die, yes, the only difference is that we unvaccinated can't die from consequences of this vaccine, which is so safe and effective that even experts don't know why its protection effectiveness drops so fast. And third dose, which isn't called booster for nothing, isn't the last, otherwise it wouldn't be booster. It would be final, for final protection, but we know that's not the case, right? Don't fear us who test regularly, fear yourselves, because you infect each other the most. Don't blame us that you're not free, we don't blame vaccinated that we have to test to prove we're healthy and that's the biggest injustice. Never in life has it been necessary to force a healthy person to go to doctor and prevent sick from visiting him. Open your eyes, it's no longer about health, we're all in this together. If not, they will achieve theirs and unfortunately due to our division into vaccinated and unvaccinated it succeeds for now. Everyone should take care according to their conscience, follow sensible measures like with other diseases (also with flu, pneumonia we don't and shouldn't walk around), and don't fight people. No one is smart enough for themselves, for others we always have a solution, right? Just like I wish that the vaccine really helps vaccinated, let them also think about us, currently healthy, what freedom we enjoy.
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Becar14. 11. 2021 15:39:51
Those vaccinated extremists quickly forgot what was written on vaccine specifications. VACCINATION PROTECTS AGAINST INFECTION. Really? Introduce weekly testing for vaccinated. Then we'll see. Of course no one dares because the result is known in advance. 10,000 infections daily.

Most pitiful to me are those who always said TRUST THE EXPERTS, now when the same experts said vaccinate after 2 months......no no on the original sheet from a year ago it said.....and similar tricks. In between of course mocking unvaccinated because we don't trust these experts. That's the hypocrisy. Trust experts as long as it suits me, others trash.

Anyway, if you trusted experts, stand by your positions and follow them now too. Van, you're already some 3 months over the experts' recommendation.
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Vincenc5214. 11. 2021 15:59:45
pantani1
Don't blame us that you're not free but vice versa. We're all fully threatened regarding freedom, right? Come on, bullshit left or right. I remember well when we vaccinated against smallpox, they vaccinated whole Yugo, no one whined that much and some died, not to mention side effects, read a bit. Let whoever wants vaccinate, just don't whine, everyone has their right and state is such and such. When elections, 50% turnout. What does that tell you? People are fed up with all this, that's why as a country we don't move anywhere. Everyone will bear consequences themselves, such or different. Nicest is to comment from the couch.
Otherwise I largely agree with you, no more divided nation than us, just fighting at every step. White, red, green, and some more, never ends. Let's be glad we're healthy for now. Overnight everything can change, INCLUDING OPINION.
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VanSims14. 11. 2021 17:40:29
https://www.zurnal24.si/svet/solidarnosti-z-necepljenimi-ne-sme-biti-376436

That's how it's done. Ours are still muttering something. It's true that the constitutional court (where only epidemiologists and infectologists and other expert staff sit) would probably annul it immediately.

Becar, for me the manufacturer is authoritative: 8 months. I've already said that, I follow that, not how much someone of ours prescribes.

And you're twisting again: the experts said after two months (and only for Janssen) for the elderly and vulnerable.

Otherwise, you conspiracy theorist, you'd surely agree with the theory that all this hype against Janssen and Astra is because they are cheap compared to mRNA vaccines and thus competition for them. I don't claim that first, but I wouldn't be surprised.

And what's wrong with those pictures I don't understand either. You yourselves are inconsistent, jumping from one contradiction to another, unsupported by any (reliable) sources, but with opponents you look for every hair in the egg.
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Becar14. 11. 2021 17:54:35
If you're already mentioning the time of black smallpox, I'm sure at least one bus of today's "experts" would go straight to Goli otok. Double decker.

And another good one. Why can't you get classic vaccines (like for smallpox)?

How will you weaken the virus if you don't have it? velik nasmeh
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zavest14. 11. 2021 18:39:58
That "there are no classic covid vaccines" clearly shows first-class misunderstanding and ignorance, I just continue the argument: why rational arguments don't work with anti-vaxxers ... because they can't think rationally velik nasmeh
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Vincenc5214. 11. 2021 18:47:43
pantani1
Finally a normal article
Yes Becar to GOLI OTOK, but you wouldn't jump like that, where are your rights and freedoms, you would gladly get vaccinated. Well, you would have to anyway velik nasmeh Back then there was no question, would or wouldn't
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Becar14. 11. 2021 19:01:34
Our experts. Testing only for healthy velik nasmehvelik nasmehvelik nasmeh
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Vincenc5214. 11. 2021 19:14:17
VanSims
I say the pictures are perfectly fine, only becar saw that a guy in blue uniform stole a mask from a guy, but if you look properly or at least check, you see he still has it over his face. I don't know if we're looking at different pictures
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starejša14. 11. 2021 19:47:03
Pervertedness of some rewarding
Dragan Petrovec, Dnevnik, 8.11.21
Whoever has ever cleaned a full septic tank knows what it looks like when you open the lid. The smelliest and thickest is at the top. I'm not talking from my head because I have that rural experience. Similarly, the epidemic has washed up perversions whose stench rises over the whole country.
Already the beginning of Janša's fight for public health showed true colors. First enrichment for the selected, then protection, if at all. Followed by removal of all who would hinder such a concept. When whistleblowers appear later, intimidating criminal proceedings follow, later offering money for silence. They lied to our eyes about the suitability of purchased equipment that lay unused in hospital warehouses. When they replace the disobedient management there too, ventilators suddenly become flawless, although they don't use them.
Strict measures apply to the people, not to politicians who indulge in feasts in otherwise publicly closed pubs. Then they invent a formula to save Počivalšek, business for business, and declare that business meetings in taverns were never forbidden.
Since there's too much of this stench for one column, let me continue only with healthcare.
Carefully selected doctors get explanatory monopoly. In between are alleged experts who can't even explain their own measures or don't know about them. And even when it seems that doctors who know their job have the fate of measures in their hands, it turns out that the government makes decisions by its own judgment, often completely contrary to the positions of the expert group.
Then a few days ago, a quite desperate note by Dr. Ihan came out in Delo, asking about the reasons why we Slovenes are part of an unhappy region that with suicidal indifference to the epidemic becomes the target of astonished looks from the entire developed world. He calls for sociologists, psychologists and other masters of the human spirit to explain how our collective reason has been paralyzed.
We don't need any special master for clarification. Dr. Ihan should just look around his own guild. The medical one reminds me most of the church one. I don't remember such contrasts anywhere. On one side missionaries, Mother Teresa, Pedro Opeka, many like them, Caritas and Pope Francis as the ideological leader of that part of the Church. On the other, Vatican gold, Goričan, cardinal scarlet, bank frauds and debauchery with countless child abuses. No need to prove specially which side the scale tips heavily to.
Similarly I see healthcare. At the bottom are sacrificial doctors burning out with the epidemic, equally medical staff without whom doctors couldn't do anything themselves, nurses who are no more because they literally save their lives by fleeing elsewhere where they can still breathe. It's enough to read the note of DMS Marija Špelič (Who broke the wings of nurses, Objektiv, October 30) about the slave system established by medical elites. Family doctors, whose norm is a few minutes per patient, have been the most neglected branch for decades, yet the first one in contact with us when we need help. Who would still choose specialization in family medicine, this pushed aside and underestimated direction, whose importance we have only begun to realize now, when it's too late for many things.
Is there anything more perverted that the authorities can offer them than a few pennies per patient if they convince him to vaccinate? That they try to fix what the same authority has squandered with its lies and frauds, that is the last piece of trust. That it tries to save itself and its face, which it hasn't had for a long time, on the shoulders of family doctors.
At the top are different kinds of doctors. Those who get salary and bonuses but don't go to work at all. The inspection at the Orthopedic Clinic UKC Ljubljana showed that orthopedists earned three to four thousand euros more than before the epidemic, although according to UKC no one worked on covid wards. Their presence was recorded even when they weren't at work at all. At the top are also those who, besides basic employment, are contractually in four, five institutions simultaneously. Doctors who find it perfectly acceptable for a burned child to wait forty minutes without help in front of the hospital. A doctor in the role of minister who establishes systemic fraud with Janssen vaccine. And last but not least, politicians and doctors who under the mask of humanitarianism donate this same controversial vaccine to Africans. There people are used to dying differently than here. Especially children.
Dr. Ihan wonders if it's distrust learned from communism or post-communist transition in the good intentions of the authorities.
Whoever sees the good intentions of the current authorities in anything other than their own position, power and money is blind or a fanatical believer. Both diagnoses are actually the same. The astonished looks of the developed world that Dr. Ihan notices do not come only from the bad epidemiological picture. No one before Janša has received more astonished, more precisely horrified looks because of his criminal behavior at home and towards European politicians.
How could healthcare policy under his baton differ from everything he does at home and abroad, and where should trust sprout on this scorched ground?
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Becar14. 11. 2021 20:23:15
Excellent article! I'll write again what I've already written. Healthcare hasn't cared for our health for a looooong time, here it's only $$$$$$$$$$.

So their advice and recommendations should be taken more like....with common sense.
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kekec6214. 11. 2021 20:24:17
Congratulations, I agree with you, everything you wrote is true and also to VanSims, but Becar doesn't read everything, he picks only what suits him to support conspiracy theories, maybe he also believes that they inject nano transmitters into the body with the vaccine.
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Vincenc5214. 11. 2021 20:52:05
older
Now I have to write sorry
Really good article to read. Nurses have been in such a position for a long long time, that they wipe doctors' asses, not all, so it won't be misunderstood again, bluntly said, while they fill their pockets with politics' help. I have a partner who's a nurse, comes home half dead from slogging, works in intensive care dept, but not covid one, still all Saturdays, Sundays, holidays. Some will say, she chose it herself. Just think if they weren't there, catastrophe. Every day they must be in good spirits even if not, cuz they get it in their face right away how unfriendly they are. Hand on heart they have such leadership too, god help. Won't go on, some will understand some chase their own anyway
Now go back few pages on the portal, look or rather read, how nurses coffee chat, fool around and such how they laze and at the beep they run like Usain Bolt. All seemingly staged. And don't talk about their salaries, catastrophe, some doctors no covid connection but few thousand euros higher pay. Other day an acquaintance told me, her grandpa is doctor, only now has good salary, no covid connection. Doesn't apply to all doctors, cuz some too honest, mafia sawed them off
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SamoK14. 11. 2021 22:26:42
>Whoever has ever cleaned a full septic tank knows what it looks like when you open the lid. The smelliest and thickest is at the top.

But how do you know? Did you dive to the bottom too to check that it smells less there?
(Or rather Dragan Petrovec, from whom you took this conclusion...)
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VanSims15. 11. 2021 05:54:55
Really excellent article. Crowning proof for all your antivaxxer claims that the virus is made up, that Bill Gates spread it, that vaccination is unnecessary, that only the vaccinated spread the virus, that they injected microchips into us with the vaccine ...

Now we can really agree with the antivaxxers on everything.
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pantani115. 11. 2021 07:31:53
Excellent, older one nasmeh
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starejša15. 11. 2021 09:48:39
SamoK, I didn't summarize anything, the article is entirely Dr. Petrovec's product, I think it's clearly visible.
Summarized means summarized and is something else than quoted in full in original form as the author wrote it himself.
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Becar15. 11. 2021 10:15:10
Vinko, I agree with something for sure, that nurses are underpaid. Not from now, but from always. And that the state didn't properly care for them, so huge number went elsewhere. Even the last raise 5-25% is ridiculous. If a nurse doesn't earn 1000 EUR base, it's shameful. I understand it's better for same money stocking shelves in shop than there changing and turning sick people, some demented and on top some insults. But the problem is that 4 billion intended for health strengthening was STOLEN, so don't get mad at unvaccinated, we didn't steal that money.

Of course doesn't mean I support ordered poorly acted scenes, like the one in mentioned show surely was. After all on recording it wasn't intensive department and there no life-threatening patients needing sprinting.

But some with good memory remember news years ago, when during flu epidemic at UKC patients on beds lay in waiting rooms and corridors, that was more horrific than current situation. I remember article too when health experts said masks don't protect from viruses and ultimately it says on masks themselves. I remember too that during flu epidemics visits to hospitals and nursing homes were also banned.

Ask your partner what she thinks about it or if she remembers that time mežikanje
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Sargon15. 11. 2021 10:56:54
Some aren't even capable of cleaning a septic tank, let alone cleaning their thoughts. Or as Jordan Peterson says in other words, before you save the world, clean your room.

Here on farms we occasionally empty the septic, and who doesn't know - shit floats on top. When you start, it stinks like hell, then it fades. Because nose gets used? because lower is more liquid? because.. only the Wise knows the real answer.

Yes, it's weird, first sinks, then floats up. Hope that's nature's law, that all piggery they do comes to surface once.
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