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| VanSims30. 11. 2021 16:31:03 |
"Van, you can't mix smallpox ..."
Surely back then too, if there was democracy and communication possibilities like today, there would be plenty of antivaxxers claiming it's made up, no virus, what they show on TV are puppets, international conspiracy or pharma will only profit from vaccine, mortality isn't that high ...
Regarding 'experts', I meant international experts. Of those you listed, Ihan and conditionally Logarjeva are experts. Trampuž I don't know what kind of doctor he is. As for Ihan, Štrukelj, Pretnar and others are experts too.
Are those from the medical initiative more expert, among whom there isn't even one immunologist, infectologist or pharmacist?
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| MitjaBelak30. 11. 2021 17:11:20 |
Van, only Pretnar (microbiologist) recently said, #who was it# needs to be locked up? Vaccinated or unvaccinated? Did you miss his post? Because he would lock you up, not the healthy.
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| SamoK30. 11. 2021 17:40:07 |
>I'm afraid it will be a gun to the head
Poor scared little mouse - how can you even live with your imaginary fears!
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| Sargon30. 11. 2021 17:40:17 |
When doctors connect with pimps, the boundaries between them blur, eventually you don't know who is who anymore.
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| kekec6230. 11. 2021 17:41:32 |
VanSims: on this forum it's not worth communicating with arguments, here are people who see and hear only what suits them, even that in quotes, because they can't see two fingers in front of their nose.
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| Becar30. 11. 2021 17:49:06 |
Van, you won't believe it, but you have a completely wrong opinion about forced vaccination against smallpox. Recently I read an article about some youth work brigade that didn't want to get vaccinated, what happened was only that Tito took away part of their title. I think it was something like (honorable) voluntary brigade. And then it was just voluntary brigade.  Really harsh punishment, right. No one took away their freedom 
So don't tarnish those golden times, which compared to today's glorification of traitors and systemic corruption were really GOLDEN in capital letters. If Tito hadn't built all the hospitals, you'd still be rolling around sick in some tent today.
As for glorifying Ihan, read a bit about Slovenian freemasons, who the members are, what connections they have, what influence on politics, society etc. It's not all as nice as you imagine.
What do you see professional in Logarjeva except threats and bargaining with JJ, I don't even know
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| hočo30. 11. 2021 18:48:19 |
he took away their title UDARNA
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| zavest30. 11. 2021 19:07:47 |
Whining of anti-vaxxers and Pantani's daily outbursts with six consecutive replies about discrimination are about as pitiful as smokers' complaints that they can't smoke in enclosed public spaces.
Or do you also complain because you have to take the car for technical inspection, even though it's "fine anyway" or nothing wrong with it? 
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| starejša30. 11. 2021 19:16:15 |
> SamoK - can you please define what "imaginary fear" is? I'm really interested. I'll read it with interest.
No one has called me mouse for a long time
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| VanSims30. 11. 2021 19:19:11 |
@MitjaBeljak: don't twist again, he would lock everything down!
I replied to his interview a few pages back. In theory he's right, expert in his field, unfortunately not in financial, economic and sociological, otherwise he'd know that what (besides locking down) he still suggests, in practice is practically not feasible or with huge financial means and sacrifices and outbursts of anger how they 'violate human rights' again. But it would greatly contribute to solving the problem, that much.
@Becar: 18 million people got vaccinated, that says it all. Maybe some crazy coercion wasn't even needed because back then we still had that collective spirit of helping others and trusted the experts. Today we're just egoists, I already said that.
That brigade probably didn't operate in Kosovo or Belgrade, there was probably outright coercion. In Kosovo they went with police through the worst backwoods where you wouldn't think they even have contact with the outside world and vaccinated.
Golden times? Debating with Yugo-nostalgics is like with a religious nut, modern pop feminist, vegan extremist ... or antivaxxer. 
Freemasons. Like yetis or NLP. Some have seen them ... And where does it say that Ihan is among freemasons? Again some facebook, twitter, uncensored and similar? And is the vast majority of world immunologists and infectologists then in the freemason lodge?
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| Vincenc5230. 11. 2021 19:29:53 |
Becar, that's why there was Goli Otok, because everyone who thought a bit with their own head and thought a bit more progressively ended up there. As for hospitals, we Slovenes built them ourselves, and quite a few with Slovenian money down there. They probably washed your brain well and you nodded as others told you. Just remember self-management and foundations of Marxism, odd-even, gasoline vouchers, Austrian bananas, coffee, and I won't list more. It was really nice. The only good thing was that everyone could get an apartment, because inflation ate up the whole loan if you got it. That's why Yugo was so indebted. You know brotherhood and unity. Serfs for those down there who lived at our expense. Strange, isn't it, that they didn't let us become independent. But the common folk was really more honest than today. And that's because common folk like today HAD NOTHING, the elite had it, like today. Don't talk to me about TITO and golden times, you had your brains well washed. Well, there was some good too, not all bad, depends how much and how you were washed See, if we were still together today, you'd be vaccinated long ago, no pardon, because TITO would have ordered it
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| Becar30. 11. 2021 20:42:19 |
Hoco thanks yes it is, they took away their name UDARNA.
Van, Ihan is a well-known Slovenian freemason and he doesn't even hide it from the public. If you don't know that, it's your problem.
With vaccination it has always been like that and it will be, everyone gets vaccinated for their own ass. Just like you did. And with smallpox there was no dilemma, died with/from smallpox. Vaccines weren't experimental technologies either.
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| turbo30. 11. 2021 21:06:46 |
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| Vincenc5230. 11. 2021 21:56:40 |
Come on Becar you're blabbering again. You really knew in old Yugo what experimental vaccines are, even if they vaccinated you with plain water. And you had to
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| Sargon30. 11. 2021 22:21:08 |
Dr. Michael Mina was a professor of epidemiology and immunology and head of clinical microbiology and molecular diagnostics at Harvard. Now he has gone to a research business environment that is becoming a gold mine.
On the question why we need rapid antigen tests if vaccine is available, he answers: despite high hopes for the vaccine, unfortunately they have not proven successful in preventing infection transmission. Vaccine-only strategy is not a smart strategy. PCR test is excellent for clinical diagnostics and poor for public health purposes, conversely rapid antigen test is excellent for epidemiological purposes and poor for clinical. It is very specific, cheap and immediately tells if a person is infectious or not, if they are a risk to others, if they can go into society or must isolate.
In Slovenia, due to poor imported antigen tests, a wrong opinion was created that HAG are inaccurate, PCR accurate, the issue was politicized on top of that and common sense went to hell.
Dr. Mina led the development of one of the PCR tests now mostly used in the northeast USA, and also led antigen test development. In Prof. Racaniello's This Week in Virology show he explained that test specificity is 100%, meaning it doesn't make a virus-free person positive. Sensitivity is over 95%, meaning out of 100 infected it misses at most 5. With widespread use price could approach 1 dollar.
Dr. Pretnar's stance on testing need is thus very close to Dr. Mina's views, who is an expert Slovenia currently lacks. What VanSims pontificates about testing shows he's a loyal student of Siol University and I wish him much success ahead.
Dr. Mina also told Prof. Racaniello that US FDA was unwilling to collaborate on HAG development. If we remember two top vaccine reviewers who worked at FDA on vaccines nearly 30 years had to resign the moment booster decision was made, that's not surprising. Because the core is this: poisonous political health ideology that took people's right to dispose of their own body and health (which is the essential sign of slavery) in the lying name of collective protection (which vaccination can't even provide) would through self-testing return that right to people. Which it doesn't want, since in this pumped-up hysteria it's not about health and saving lives, though they use it as excuse. Otherwise Zavest himself says it nicely: human body is like a car, meaning a thing you can own, take for checkup, if more used it's not worth 2000 eur.
Some really walk hellish stairs.
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| pantani11. 12. 2021 07:05:08 |
Looks like the virus will be picked up by spring and pharma lackey politicians hurry to convince and force vaccination as much as possible, to use up stocks and grab last coins from citizens' pockets. Infection numbers dropping, new variant less dangerous, but they lull us into mandatory vaccination.. even children 
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| gely1. 12. 2021 07:22:37 |
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