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Becar22. 03. 2022 11:11:40
Van, yes there is enough biological weapons to destroy everything. Is it in the interest of Americans say to destroy everything? Even themselves? That's the point. The latest fashion is developing biological weapons that target only certain ethnic groups.
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VanSims23. 03. 2022 07:43:34
They say they'll look for the gene for foul play in the Slovenian genome too. They should also for primitivism, self-deprecating servility, violent seeking attention with 'different thinking with own head' even at the expense of human lives ...

@pantani: if we leave corona aside, we're at least a bit more aware that we spread diseases around. So from now on maybe we'll be a bit more careful. It's not about staying home for every sneeze. You have a sniffle, someone else will get seriously ill from the same virus.

If you want it purely in money: now we have work from home and where possible, no more dilemma whether to stay home with every sneeze or not. Yes, stay! If you can still work, work from home, otherwise take sick leave. Until now it was especially with private sector the dilemma and because people were afraid for jobs they persisted at workplaces and infected others, which just meant more sick, lower productivity and more absences.
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Becar25. 03. 2022 15:29:03
Another gem from the "chicken" portal. According to a poll by some well-known agency, most Slovenes support embargo on Russian energy. Meaning the same people who tremble before price increases and who can right now see how even just the announcement of embargo affects prices.

The same agency published last year that 60% of Slovenes support mandatory vaccination. big smile

Sheep still don't believe in mass manipulation and propaganda. Ugh how the Americans are rubbing hands right now, and some Qataris, Algerians and of course the whole chain of middlemen and lackeys. And such agencies and propaganda media.

Regards beeeeeee
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pantani126. 03. 2022 19:21:45
If as a country you don't obey or submit to the USA, Europe, or some of the Anglo-Saxons and Normans, you've already put a noose around your neck. That's what Russian businessmen see now, whom the West calls oligarchs. Until recently, Ukrainian moguls were also oligarchs, but overnight the USA made them patriots, whose assets, reputation, and probably lives the USA and EU are ruining. That's why the world of capital, which holily believes in and protects private property, decided ad-hoc to seize the assets of all rich Russians, businessmen, ''oligarchs'', deputies, politicians ....etc, bank deposits, and this regardless of whether they were respected investors of their money in Western companies, banks, factories, transport, trade and finance until yesterday. That's no longer important. Are you Russian? Then you're worthless - overnight. I've watched many videos, posts from Italy, France, where people talk about these people who pour huge amounts of money into Europe, now --- overnight closed all their homes because they will be sealed, as well as the rest of their assets. I wonder - what laws do the EU, USA have that they can seize the property of a citizen of some country without a court order, who hasn't committed anything, or even proven any legal ''violation'' in a preliminary investigation with the laws of the relevant country. If this is not a criminal act of that country, I can compare it to the seizure of Jewish property in the 30s of the 20th century,,, then I don't know what it is. 30 years you were a respected Russian, brought money from business in Russia or the world to Europe, invested in all possible industries, sports etc,,,, then someone overnight declares you a criminal, unwanted guest, and early in the morning they strip you down to your underwear, take absolutely everything, block accounts so you can't buy even clothes, order a taxi, let alone pay for a plane to go home at least. That's what happened to guests in St. Moritz - in a super-category hotel, where in the morning directors asked Russians to try to understand the new situation, Russians left without possibility of paying hotels and everything else. Still, the hotels took care to finance at least their departure. And what are these people guilty of, I ask? Because I know Switzerland well, and hotels too,,, I know very well from information that the entire tourist and hotel world would most gladly bite off the heads of those responsible in Europe and USA who thought of this. How far will this madness of the developed world go? Since 2011, USA, or Obama (and now Biden) tirelessly together with vassal Europe jointly bomb all who are not to their liking .........pardon, even before. That USA sends weapons to all their favorite terror organizations and now also extreme-right-wingers in Ukraine,, is that a new trend, new Democrats' policy? Do we ordinary, honest people have to fear that Biden won't erase us? Namely, he flew to Europe,, and it prostituted itself, and served USA with buying gas that needs to be liquefied at home, loaded on tankers, transport to EU and regasified again for use. Gas that flows directly through pipes from Russia is no longer desired, nor so cheap. No problem, Europe is digging its own grave. The American is already counting petrodollars on Europe's bill and producing new weapons, and new directives that Europeans will have to follow. Bravo.
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julius27. 03. 2022 10:34:40
How quickly we forget:
- The biggest genocide in human history over Indians in America. They settled America, now only a few as samples.
-Dresden
-Hiroshima
-Nagasaki
-Korea
-Vietnam
-Iraq
-Afghanistan
-Syria
-Libya
-Falklands
-Serbia - without any UN approval
-Dozens of military coups in South America
And so on.
And all this UNPUNISHED.
We really have spoiled asses.
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zappa27. 03. 2022 11:35:49
@ julius How quickly we forget:
Nobody forgets anything. But with all you Russophiles, Russia's history, its war incidents and its genocides are forgotten. Of course it's all because of lack of knowledge of history. Simply put, all opponents of USA (obviously including you constantly repeating what all Americans have done and no one said anything). And I'm not a supporter of neither. But all debates go according to one and the same pattern, what all Americans have done, while Russians have been extremely fair throughout their history and generally fantastic. I don't intend to paste links (or I will if needed), just to realize that American victims are measured in tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands, victims of Russian Bolshevism alone in tens of millions. But of course we'll overlook that, because it's "in" to beat on USA because only USA brewed all the shit that's happening. I don't even mention victims of Chinese communism. The lesson is, yes USA caused huge shit, but unfortunately for you Russians or Chinese did even more shit. But you simply forget or skip that. Obviously you forgot a lot too. If you want me to be more precise then "by all means" I can do that too.
Best regards
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Becar27. 03. 2022 14:23:17
We need to have the same yardstick for everyone. When NATO attacked Serbia, no one took property from Americans, British, French..... No one threatened them with The Hague, no one banned their media, no one introduced economic sanctions. Now the ugly ugly Russian uncle with warts comes, and everything is wrong, right? According to some data, more civilians died in Serbia alone during the attacks than now in Ukraine! And precisely this double standard with media propaganda support is the rot of this society. Actually, it's a kind of war Nazism. Some civilian victims are obviously less valuable than others.
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zappa27. 03. 2022 18:14:12
@ Becar
Aha. And again Serbia had nothing to do with anything. Not in the Balkan wars nor later. I'm very surprised how even Montenegrins didn't want to be in a common state. I wouldn't be surprised if Vojvodina secedes too. JLA and then Serbian army pure as a tear. No atrocities. What shall we, NATO again guilty of everything, bombed everything. I know many Bosniaks. And I know their stories too. Same case as with julius before. Again we go only one way and that's of course-USA. According to you and julius there are really only some civilian victims that are worth something. Of course those from USA NATO side. So you can hardly say anything about valuing victims. You haven't uttered a single sentence so far about what nonsense war is including the current one. Just banging around some propaganda and history (which by the way you know poorly). Whatever is happening now is wrong by all norms of normal life. And you nicely about paralyzed cyclists, tennis players and footballers. Allegedly from vaccine. And when someone pastes a link that before covid time hundreds of athletes (even named) died or collapsed due to various heart stops and similar, you smoothly overlook and skip it. Three days silence then again we go on anew. You all have that in common. When something sensible and provable is told to you, it doesn't exist for you. Such lack of objectivity is not on the level of a normal "thinking with your own head" person. Fact is, Russians made a mega shit and hunger and shortage will hit where it's already worst. In Africa and elsewhere. But your Putin shrugs it off easily.
Best regards
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julius27. 03. 2022 18:20:04
zappa
In the brave battle at My Lai the brave Yanks managed to beastly kill over 200 women, among them pregnant ones, old people and children. But in the village they didn't find even one man fit for battle.
Most American presidents after WW2 would deserve hefty prison sentences.
That they fan Ukraine, promise it mountains and valleys, is also part of their "special" war.
In the end, we Europeans will all pay for it together. Check back in a year and tell us how much your standard has fallen.
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zappa27. 03. 2022 19:04:09
@ julius
You're still driving one-way. Probably didn't understand me well. Nobody defends Americans but write something about Russians and their crimes too. Well, Americans get on your nerves here, I can hardly help. Now you mentioned one incident. Well, let me give you one Russian too. Then judge yourself. And for each one you mention (event), I'll mention a counter one and worse. Just so you know, one always has to keep objectivity and not so much because of some verbal clash. Say this - equivalent (or is it?) to your incident

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Think a bit. There are worse cases too. As for the standard it will fall for everyone. But most for Russians, believe me. And I pity the Russian people, because they are not guilty of anything, no mistake. And it won't be as bad as you think. We've always managed and always will. I mean Europe. Usually we've screwed the other more.
Best regards
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Becar27. 03. 2022 19:15:13
"@ Becar Aha. And again Serbia had nothing to do with anything."

And Ukraine had nothing to do with massacres in Donbas either, right? And with planned biological weapons and placing NATO weapons on Russian borders?

I'm against this war and against American wars. But I'm not stupid, because I see that reporting is extremely polarized!

Who is the only one in history to drop 2 atomic bombs on civilian population? And how many of these war criminals were convicted afterwards? How did USA react when USSR planned to place nuclear weapons on Cuba?
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zappa27. 03. 2022 20:00:03
@ Becar
Again one-way traffic. Direction known-USA.
Everything said and attached before simply overlooked again. I'm continuing my philosophy.
Something on your facts also this (maybe you'll understand better why Ukrainians and Russians don't get along best). And that with biological weapons you know, you who like Pantani has Putin on the line and he explained everything nicely to you. Quite funny this sick fear of Russians and you Russophiles of NATO weapons on the border with Russia. Do you really think NATO would just attack Russia in three days? I don't know in which matrix you live. And also the mentioned link

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Have a nice evening
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Sargon28. 03. 2022 02:39:23
Aleksander Solzhenitsyn wrote: The line between good and evil does not run between us and them, but runs through each individual person.
To say Americans are good, Russians are evil or vice versa, in light of the above statement, has no meaning. Therefore, the current hysterical demonization of Russians is completely senseless and shows only the primitive barbarism of those who do it. To demand from an opera singer to renounce her homeland, to strike Tchaikovsky from the repertoire; it seems the mania of public expression of virtue-signaling outrage has no borders. Will libraries now start publicly burning works of Dostoevsky, Tolstoy or Chekhov? It's obvious - the hysterical pogrom against people who didn't want to agree to forced medical intervention and were called antivaxxers, is now redirected against Russians. Yesterday Djokovic, today Medvedev. Obviously we need enemies, visible and invisible or invented, to divert our gaze and attention.

Not to count or compare victims, more to realize historical facts and perhaps sober up a bit.
The formation and expansion of the Russian empire. There were battles and wars, pogroms. Or was there some all-encompassing massacre of some people and history mentions it?
Colonization of North America: from 10 million (some estimate 26 million) original inhabitants, after pacification less than 1 million remained. Hollywood presented this, actually a genocide ten times larger than Rwanda's, to us as an epic heroic story which we gladly accepted. Are similar screenwriters at work now?
In Central and South America, Spaniards and Portuguese were equally thorough. From 80-90 million Indians, less than 20% survived. The conquest of the Americas took over 70 million lives.

After World War II, the flower of Western democracies in clashes and wars during decolonization, stopping communism and new colonization of the Middle East caused the death of around 50 million people. Hasn't the time come to ask ourselves what they are doing in our name around the world?

Current US President Joe Biden, as senator or vice president, voted for all US military interventions, so he is co-responsible for the death of millions of people. In Ukraine, he was directly personally involved in events that ultimately led to war. I think he is more responsible for such outcome of events than Putin.
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VanSims28. 03. 2022 06:25:35
I don't advocate for Americans at all. They've done plenty of dirty deeds. But that still doesn't change the fact that Putin is the aggressor, that he kills civilians across Ukraine, drives them to flee, terrorizes them, because of him they suffer hunger, lose relatives, die in terrible agony. He slaughters children and mothers and causes damage that this country will suffer for decades. Russian, not American weapons are pounding them. You see, they only destroy civilian objects. If at least strategic and military ones, a person could still say...

Everything else is unimportant. I'm not interested in various theories at all, facts... regardless of whether they're made up or not. Americans didn't hold a gun to Putin's temple and order him to attack Ukraine!

And in this context, what they did in the past doesn't matter at all. Yes, many things are condemnable but emphasizing that now is just like criticizing the Allies in World War II, saying you're no better than Hitler, what you did in colonies, to Indians, the Inquisition in the Middle Ages... So according to your opinion, they wouldn't have the moral right to oppose Hitler? We know what would happen to Slovenes if he won.
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pantani128. 03. 2022 07:24:47
Sargon, signed. nasmeh
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pantani128. 03. 2022 08:06:50
velik nasmehvelik nasmehvelik nasmeh
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Becar28. 03. 2022 08:28:07
Where were you when the US recently carried out a missile assassination on the leader of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard? What court proceedings are running against the US president who approved it bypassing the UN? Why didn't you get fired up then?

For American crimes you don't even need to go far back in history, as Van says, and you won't have to wait long for the next ones. They happen regularly.

This is plain hypocrisy, double standards and propaganda.

I have no sympathies for Russia. But I think it's necessary, until we reach the level of realizing that all people are equal and all wars senseless, that the world be balanced. That means having a strong Russia, China, India......otherwise the whole world will become slaves to these cowboys. Europe already is.
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zappa28. 03. 2022 08:48:42
@ Sargon
One-way traffic doesn't stop even with you. As you said, Russians are evil or vice versa, in light of the above post it makes no sense. Meaning comparing crimes makes no sense. I agree (and if you'd read well what I wrote, you'd see that wasn't the purpose). But still in the next few sentences you do exactly what you said makes no sense. Complete tally of victims of Western civilization including native Indians. Really interesting. Is that any different from what I posted? You did exactly the same as me. And that's why I talk about one-way traffic and that's why I'm writing this. Your criticism is again aimed at the US and not at the terror that Russia is carrying out at the moment. People are hypocrites and your statements don't differ much from theirs. You say one thing, do another. Your above post is a classic example. VanSims said it nicely, no one holds a gun to his head to kill, whether you see it or not. The attacker is always guilty. And currently it's Russia. Involving Russian writers and comparing that to massacres seems senseless to me. And since you've already tallied Western victims (and of course said it makes no sense), it still can't compare to the numbers I could write about communism victims. But I won't, because here in this section it's only one-way traffic and that makes "no sense". By the way, given knowledge or in your case ignorance of history, you could know that for most Indians a weak immune system was fatal, not resistant to diseases whites brought (especially smallpox). By the way, Indian numbers vary greatly and it's hard to talk about, but it's considered there were about 5 million in pre-Columbian North America and Canada. Today there are just over 6 million. And I'm not defending the US, don't think so, but in the given situation Russians are the ones doing this. But of course not even a sentence about condemning them. And I wouldn't write so much about it, but when I see children on buses clutching their plushies and not understanding why they have to leave, it hits me too hard. Of course for you Djokovic is more important and you're worried what will happen to oligarchs and Russian literature. Let me reassure you, if it survived Bolshevism it will this too. This is just a temporary situation that won't stay like this. They'll continue teaching Russian literature in schools, don't worry. Djoko will still play tennis, don't worry. Explain that to a child whose home was destroyed by a rocket.
Best regards
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zappa28. 03. 2022 09:12:25
@ Becar
Europe slave to cowboys. I have to say that's really a fresh and intelligent sentence. Again lack of objectivity and pure hypocrisy. Why? Well, I'll explain school-style. All you Western critics use without any problem or shame technologies mostly made in the West (most of them even in America). You nicely sit in the car and drive. Bet it's not Lada Niva. Probably American, Japanese or European. You open the fridge to eat something-damn, European. Is it Russian, Chinese?
Then you call the neighbor if there's anything new with covid. With phone. American. Even Chinese phones are powered by Yankees. Ouch. You sit at the computer to write something on mountains about covid and war. Again using American technology. Every important component of your comp is American. And Windows running on it. Ouch. Then you watch news on TV. Ouch, what technology is that? Maybe Russian? And most importantly democracy (which of course according to you isn't democracy but some totalitarian slave-owning order or whatever) as we know it today is a Western product. Like it or not, you live more like an American than a Russian or Chinese (who by the way stole all that and got away with it scot-free). In plain terms, you shit on what you use and live every day. Don't worry, in some other culture or country maybe you couldn't bash the government as much as you can here. Be aware of the freedom you have cowboys up or down. And to tell the truth, if I had to choose between cowboys and communists, I'd choose cowboys. And don't worry all others would too. Or you can move to Russia or China if you think there's more freedom and less corruption than in the West.
Best regards
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Becar28. 03. 2022 15:30:14
Here you can see what "pro-European and pro-NATO" torture of war prisoners looks like, kicking in the head, shooting in legs etc....

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