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Cows, sheep, goats... on mountain roads

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Tadej27. 07. 2014 12:33:03
Continuation of the topic about cows on the road...
The beginning refers to VanSims' post in the Mala Mjstrovka - Hanzova pot thread.
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VanSims25. 07. 2014 22:25:09
When I was little I often asked my dad this and that about mountains. In his young years he often went to the mountains with buddies. I remember asking him how hard the approaches to peaks are and for Mojstrovka he said it's quite hard. So I thought Mojstrovka is called that because you have to be quite a master to get to it. velik nasmeh Of course now I know it's not so but the "logical" association stuck in my head: Mojstrovka - mountain for masters! mežikanje

So the Saturday before last I drive to Vršič. On the way to the pass cows surprise me on the road. Little Slovene of course terrorizing tourists! I report to police! Despite thunderstorms forecast for afternoon there were quite some visitors and parked cars although far from usual crowd at this time. At the top I park and parking lady approaches me already. I drive off immediately and park lower.

Then I head towards Slemenova špica. I overtake a group of Spaniards probably heading there, I turn at Vratce towards entrance to Hanzova pot. At Vratce I meet a couple, foreigners. He had a helmet anyway, she in - sneakers. They say they're going to Mojstrovka. Hmm... zavijanje z očmi Well, probably that snow patch at the start (which now, judging by pics in upper post, is already very easy) played a positive role and scared off many inexperienced, as I didn't see them anymore although I dawdled a bit before entrance and adjusted gear. At entrance there were some foreigners too (there are surely more of them in our Julians than Slovenes) and two Slovenes. After initial struggling due to snow (which is now much easier) the enjoyment began.

For Slovenian conditions the path is really well secured, although there are some unsecured sections in between. Somewhere in the middle of secured part it started clouding a bit. From somewhere direction Tromeja even a shower came, went over Kranjska Gora and I was afraid I'd get rain but it rushed further along Zgornjesavska dolina. View from path is really nice: Karavanke ridge from Kokov (Coccau) to Kepa of course Špik and Martuljek group and Prisank, other side Ponce, eventually Planica jumps and Tamar showed, nice view to Slemenova špica too. Of course indispensable Dobrač was visible, further High Tures not because too cloudy.

Secured part is quite long and when it ends I bypass a snow patch then free climbing part continues all the way to top. I liked that. Usually when vias ferratas end you have to walk to summit e.g. along ridge, here it's interesting to the end. cool

At top sky getting darker and I look towards Austria where it's already raining properly. There sheep await me too. They literally jump at me when I pull biscuits from backpack! Just so they didn't trample me. eek Yes, you'll get some, yes! Well now I have to eat a bit too. When biscuits gone they lost interest and even ran from me when I wanted to pet them a bit. zavijanje z očmi Then I look around a bit, nice view to Primorska side too, from clouds towards west even Mangart starts showing but now I see that from Austria it's close: behind Ponce everything black already! eek Run!

I say bye to sheep and head down. Normal way back to Vršič (south path) poorly marked, at least downhill, plus upper part very crumbly. Poles very useful, especially with thunderstorm behind. eek mežikanje And so past me rushes Czech family: Dobry den!, Ahoj! While I fled thunderstorm they went up! zmeden Hats off to them! nasmeh

Downhill only lightly drizzled on me. It was very interesting to see how on Gorenjska side it thundered properly, on Primorska just cloudy and dry. Vršič seems some weather barrier! Path still wet anyway, especially tricky through gully, but after that I was fine, to Vršič from there still about half hour.

There I go to Tičarjev dom for beer, sausage and cabbage. Those Spaniards sat at next table talking. Heard also: los Slovenos! Hope they said something good about us and took good impressions from our country, despite another surprise on way back to Kranjska Gora: cows on road again! eek Couldn't pass at all. I chase them with continuous about one-minute honking. Call police again and they said they were up there in morning! Can't believe how contemptible that guy is. Police leaves, he puts cows on road nicely again. Not to say he wasn't watching from afar and having fun. Doesn't care about damage, let alone if accident happens once. Why go to Vršič! mežikanje

In KG I get ice cream then home! If subtract little rain - super trip!
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heinz26. 07. 2014 05:01:15
Well, you didn't really call the cops twice just because of the little cows? eekzmeden
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Pankrt26. 07. 2014 06:42:54
..hahaha cows-police call, all sorts of shit bitches give birth to... weird that you didn't call special forces... By the way, minute honking doesn't belong up there either....
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nincokl26. 07. 2014 06:52:35
If you already called the police because of cows, you'd call them also because of the sheep you met on MM. Yooooj what a retard!!!
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JusAvgustin26. 07. 2014 07:56:06
that's crazy! eek
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VanSims26. 07. 2014 07:58:34
Reactions are completely expected.

In Austria, not only would people call the police but the police would properly fine that farmer. That's why I haven't seen anything like that there. In Slovenia too often.

With such mentality of people of course here everyone can do whatever they want. Recently someone in our apartment complex was blasting loud music at 1am, I call police, then they tell me it's weird because I'm the only one calling. The complex isn't that small. In Austria people would go nuts.

OK, music at 1, cows on the road maybe trivial. But it starts with small things. The problem is it's the same with things that are much more socially important and concern all of us. Simply here everyone can do whatever, no laws apply, no ethics, relationships,... people tolerate it calmly or whoever criticizes gets bashed.

That's why Slovenia sinks day by day into ever bigger,...emmm... well, shit, if I put it mildly! mežikanje
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Daaam26. 07. 2014 08:16:47
VanSims.. I think you overuse the 113 number a bit too much. I personally experienced the "most dramatic" encounter in the car with little cows exactly in Austria nasmeh and it didn't look like the locals felt awkward jezik .. relax a bit dude, you'll live even happier and don't stress over trivial things, give the cops some peace, they have much more important work than going to watch cows..
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peter226. 07. 2014 08:17:06
velik nasmeh
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VanSims26. 07. 2014 10:10:06
@Daam: OK, on some remote mountain road I too had a horse in Austria, but not in the middle of "bundesstrasse". Imagine cows in the middle of the scenic road on Grossglockner! eek mežikanje

@peter2: cows weren't always there... man brought them up! mežikanje
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Daaam26. 07. 2014 10:34:46
velik nasmeh Personally, cows on Vršič (Pokljuka and elsewhere) appeal to me, so there's no sense in arguing who's right.. I'm sure they bring a smile to most tourists' faces too. It's not some fast highway, but mostly slow crawling up the bends. Of course there are always people who want a sterile, maximally predictable environment. No thanks for such boredom... But to think that someone deliberately drove those cows onto the road to "screw" tourists (because he has connections? eek) seems to me mildly put ... hmmm fanatical... Then you also call the police because planes are spraying the sky again.. chemtrails! jezik .. and that HAARP is to blame for earthquakes.. Anyway, I don't know why you didn't give up the one-minute honking that was probably heard far up in the woods and instead took your famous electroshocker and zapped every cow in the ass jezik .. would be more discreet mežikanje
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jannika26. 07. 2014 10:47:15
yeahhhh, God's earth, what all it has to bear.... eek
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tinky26. 07. 2014 10:55:47
Maybe those. Those ugly little cows, I had to wait for themvelik nasmeh
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mailman26. 07. 2014 12:35:16
Nice description of the ascent to Mojstrovka, but I see most people have problems with cows!!! zavijanje z očmi
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lizika26. 07. 2014 16:48:12
Listen VanSims, you know you're just like your cows eek You arrive when they drive the cows up to the mountains and disappear when they drive them back down zavijanje z očmi
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jax26. 07. 2014 16:49:22
This is largely about how the livestock is driven and how much effort the shepherds make to keep them to the edge of the road. I've also encountered cows on the road through Trento (yes, on the same Vršič road) and there was a shepherd and shepherdess who kept pushing them aside and made sure cars could pass. Same once in Italy, and there are more examples. On the other hand, once on the road to Dom pod Storžičem I ran into livestock being driven where the shepherds didn't give a damn about other road users and drove them across the full width of the road for quite a while. And whatever we think about alpine life, that's simply not correct behavior.

And that thing about cows bringing a smile to most tourists' faces - from my pure hiking perspective, I strongly doubt they bring a smile to those who stumble upon them early in the morning heading out on a tour. You're always late anyway and such things can really annoy you (and no, no need to moralize that you should get up earlier. I've heard those comments.) Going back it's different of course, but that's the point. Road users are different and purposes of road use are different. So shepherds must ensure livestock is driven in a way that interferes as little as possible with traffic. And yes, the Vršič road has its function and it's not just Germans driving to the sea, but also people to work or hospital.
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Sorok26. 07. 2014 21:23:31
Well, "van" just described the current conditions. In summary something like this: the parking lady scares early in the morning, on the way lots of foreigners block you, especially Spaniards, whom you have to bypass on the Hanzova path, which is OK though. Views more miserable, up top avoid sheep that eat your cookies, then they chase you away..., plus a bit of dew on descent and again Spaniards in the inn and on return cattle stampede on the main road. Weird that no word about snakes - probably by the warm stove. The buckwheat girl shed some bitter tears at all this. Well, if we leave all that aside, the tour was greatnasmeh
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VanSims26. 07. 2014 22:43:05
@jax: unfortunately no one was driving the cows, they were just freely walking on the road. No one was even there to drive them. Going further it was still possible to avoid them, but coming back they literally occupied the whole road and there was no choice but to honk until they moved aside.

I knew sooner or later someone would speak up and support me. There are quite a few like that but they probably fear to expose themselves. The mob would trash them, destroy them, tear them apart!

According to most, I should have patiently waited there 5, 10, 15 min... or even more. And then the shepherd would come and yell at me how dare I drive on the road when his lady cows are walking there! And wait until maybe one comes close and this time doesn't just hit the plastic bumper (like once before) but really hits the metal,... Yeah really how stupid,... I'm pissing myself.

If by chance someone crashed into them when, for example, they surprise him around a bend, yeah of course he's guilty. How dare he drive there when cows are walking! God forbid he ends up in a ravine or crashes into a cow. As long as only the metal suffers. Why the hell go there! I might repeat curses of @Pankrta and some others but I won't stoop to that level because kids talk like that when playing in our neighborhood yard.

I'm really curious how some tolerate this silly country where there's at least a bit of order and people advocating for it. On the other hand they want to be Switzerland (with that mentality never of course), where it's even worse (they say you can't flush toilets in blocks at night which is of course an exaggeration).

Why don't you move out? To the Balkans or even further south. There you'll enjoy your India command. There everyone can do whatever they want and not care about others! There rules the street law, law of the stronger, rougher, ruder, more primitive! Ideal! There are full of such idols you adore like that "poor" shepherd. And down there you'll get plenty of such "surprises" with livestock on the road and full of smiles on lips. What are you still doing here? Why not pack up?
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kr-en26. 07. 2014 22:57:14
Look at that, if the cow doesn't speak Slovenian, then Mr. Van Sims even likes it.
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Keko26. 07. 2014 23:36:39
Encountering cows on the road in a mountain environment is not surprising at all in my opinion. I've experienced that several times on our mountain roads. Even in Austria I've driven through a herd of cattle fearing when I'd lose my car mirrors. We must realize that in this environment we're not alone and sometimes we need to be patient and find coexistence with various animals that can appear on the road.
In such environments one needs to ask who is the more disturbing factor on the road, the cow or our car.
Otherwise the issue can be solved elegantly too. If someone is too afraid for their tin, just park it somewhere in Kranjska Gora and walk to Vršič.
I think no one wants someone to get the idea and solve such conflicts by simply removing cars from the road and consequently cows won't threaten anyone anymore. I still think it's better an occasional cow on the road than a car in Kranjska Gora.
And good that cows can't speak, it would really be interesting to hear their version of such conflicts.
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Daaam27. 07. 2014 03:36:04
Sorry VanSims, I can say the same: why don't you pack up and go to your beloved Austria or Switzerland. Supposedly there are no cows on the road there.
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