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| triglavski28. 06. 2009 15:16:34 |
For a usual one-day ascent and descent in our mountains I carry a liter of liquid with me, never plain water, because there's nothing in it that could benefit me. In winter usually 7.5 l thermos of tea, also some energy drink, very little or no food, again just some energy bar, a piece of chocolate, a piece of cheese, apple or orange. Everything else is unnecessary ballast.
Franjo carried bitter tea with him, but it happened that sometimes when we met at Kredarica we drank a beer or a glass of wine, it didn't harm us at all. So, one is theory, the other is practice, which everyone practices in their own way.
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| Žiga2229. 06. 2009 10:45:14 |
7.5 l thermos?? You probably mean 1.5 l. 
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| bobo29. 06. 2009 10:48:43 |
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| Nosko29. 06. 2009 11:43:08 |
Hm, am I the only one who eats a lot in the mountains? 
Earlier there was talk about whey. I always take a shake with carbs and whey powder with me, it's good as it releases quickly...good for energy boost, and doesn't weigh on the stomach. You buy it in any sports nutrition store.
Otherwise I take cottage cheese and banana, all blended and sprinkle some cocoa on top, yummy 
For the top I make sandwiches or fry steaks at home.
How do you manage just with drinks and bars? I'm always hungry like a wolf. Last time my buddy gave me a good idea, he baked muffins with blueberries. Mmm bit of sugar for energy and blueberries for freshness. He said that I'd carry them with me now too
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| triglavski29. 06. 2009 11:45:48 |
yes of course 0.75 l is correct,
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| Primož7629. 06. 2009 13:39:13 |
For day hikes I have enough with 0.5 l thermos of tea, some energy drink and say one or two Frutabellas. I see that triglavski and I are similar. Like diesel, uses little but goes far.
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| viharnik29. 06. 2009 16:08:25 |
At the beginning of the hike I also eat only cereal fruit bars and drink after meals. In the middle of the day you need to fill the stomach a bit, because an empty sack doesn't stand upright. I eat some fresh fruit (bananas, apple, raisins, figs, apricots, peaches, seasonal fruit), later some Rio Mare, bio sandwich with soy spread and home-grown rocket, tomato, mozzarella, Štrudl, if mom bakes it at home etc. In summer I drink more, 1.5 l is gone by afternoon. Mountain water is definitely not bad, because firstly, due to contact with earth and rocks it flows over, it has much more living energy or prana, microelements and minerals, secondly in flowing water the water molecules are not clustered together like in city water pipes, because they don't allow optimal (only a few %) absorption through stomach walls into blood and further into muscles. Free water allows that. But you need to know that after abundant drinking of water, we must consume some muesli bar or other food along with it, otherwise water starts washing important vitamins and salts out of the body.
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| turbo29. 06. 2009 18:00:53 |
Depending on the difficulty and length of the hike I take from 0.5 to 1.5 liters of Isostar (or similar isotonic drink) and obligatory 1 or 2 Red Bulls. For eating Isostar energy bars and sometimes a Frutabella. Completely sufficient. Before the hike breakfast and some cocoa or white coffee.
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| bistri29. 06. 2009 18:14:39 |
I can't help but comment in this debate - good that you can carry so much food with you. But we're different obviously, some need more others less. But I agree - mountain water is the best! And nice mountain greeting 
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| veoniq29. 06. 2009 19:08:03 |
I don't know, obviously the recession is not felt enough in this area  . All those energy bars and various drinks etc. are quite expensive too. So those who don't have money for these bought things, but eat home-made food are considered uneducated (you think, look at him how he eats a lot...)?  I mean hello? Doesn't anyone eat normal food (sandwich, jota in the hut, etc.)? Or are you all professionals who eat only powders, bars, etc.
P.s.: This was just my quick thought after reading the posts.
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| viharnik29. 06. 2009 19:31:20 |
Of course we eat, we're not picky, at least that's how I was raised at home. At the shelter under Špička, excellent ričet and apple strudel, and also elsewhere you can find something good. For energy or better said muesli bars it's not so bad if we take them by the pack. In Lidl you get for 1.5 eur eight pieces, I think Linessa slices with hazelnuts. Hot sport drink isotonic is also available for ten eur and a bag lasts for a few months. Other sandwiches and other fresh food I make at home and don't buy at nearby gas stations.
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| stankoju29. 06. 2009 20:13:19 |
"VEONIG" I quite agree with you, but you also forgot good homemade BOROVNIČEVEC, which also replaces some spent energy.
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| fpetel129. 06. 2009 22:17:38 |
For a full-day hike in summer I use up good three liters of fluid. To water of course you add some effervescent tablet. Personally I also sweat a lot in summer even with non-strenuous movement (even at rest). In winter I never use more than a liter and a half of fluid. Food I eat really somewhat less than usual. Jota or ričet you of course treat yourself to in the mountains if there's some open hut in sight.
How beer doesn't harm, but already with schnapps I had bad experiences, when after a few hours of hot and strenuous ascent I fainted and reached the top of Triglav on reserve (I think precisely because of schnapps and medic for strength)
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| Primož7630. 06. 2009 12:12:42 |
Veonig, why would I eat a sandwich if I don't like it? And also regarding the prices of energy bars. I wrote that I take Frutabela or two (sorry for the ad). The price at the best neighbor is 0.37€, if there's some sale even less. To me it doesn't seem expensive. But I'd like to see a sandwich for 0.37€! 
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| šketka30. 06. 2009 15:45:14 |
Hello. Next week, if the weekend is good, I head to Triglav from Vrata. How much fluid should I take with me? Otherwise when hiking I'm quite thirsty, but I don't know what to drink to give me strength. Should I buy some isotonic drinks or powders, or is there some home-tested drink for energy?
LP
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| turbo30. 06. 2009 17:44:21 |
Šketka, read the article at the link below and a lot will become clearer to you.
http://www.aktivna.si/prehrana/za-aktivne/voda_ali_sportni_napitki-5507@1.aspx
Personally, I've been testing for quite some time (a few years) what quenches my thirst best, and now on trips I carry 0.5 to 1.5 liters of isotonic, for munching Isostar energy bars and Frutabellas. And one or two cans of Red Bull. It's enough for me even for very strenuous all-day off-trail trips.
Otherwise, a hundred people - a hundred wonders...or everyone their own way...
LP
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| geppo30. 06. 2009 19:30:00 |
Yes, just like you said!! (Otherwise, a hundred people - a hundred wonders...or everyone their own way...)
Experienced hikers already know from experience what suits their body and what doesn't.
I, all these years water and lemon (in the backpack also some can of beer for reserve). Now, with 1.5l bottles, that's a regular companion in the backpack. Inside:
- water
-1 "squeezed" lemon
- a bit of green tea (gunpowder) and some more leaves floating inside.
Never, but I don't mind water from springs or flowing over rocks.
I avoid Red Bull - Frutabella is already the law - APRICOT, STRAWBERRY..!
LP
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| viharnik30. 06. 2009 19:48:05 |
Geppo, your combination too can be the right drink for efforts due to lots of antioxidants (green tea, lemon), besides isotonics which do count for something. For compacted water from home taps, the spray attachment helps, which you get at Bauhaus, Merkur and just screw it on the tap end. About such water deformation that stays long in pipes (molecules compress from natural size and don't absorb into the body - we drink and are still thirsty), my master of tai-chi, Chi gong, martial arts and other alternative knowledge told me, who is my good friend.
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| medo*2. 07. 2009 12:37:09 |
On trips I usually drink not too sweet juice. Various isotonics and other powders don't convince me, because they are energy-packed drinks and some ingredients are questionable to me. I think it's not so much what we drink (alcohol of course doesn't count), but more how much we drink. Sometimes I brew some tea and add honey and lemon.
When drinking in the mountains I try to stick to two rules: 1. I drink before I'm thirsty, and 2. I drink often, in small amounts. That's why I use a 2 l water bladder that's insulated, so the drink keeps the desired temperature as long as possible. So I don't have to stop, take off the backpack and pull out a flask or bottles. Of course it has its downsides too: http://www.gore-ljudje.net/novosti/40445/.
After the trip, what suits me best is to "shoot one goat" (read Laško beer)
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| Vodka2. 07. 2009 12:50:15 |
I drink 100% syrup and only once (quenches thirst and hunger too). Later, I don't even think I could be thirsty.
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