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gregcs12. 01. 2010 13:10:02
What about gear? Got any?
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mladi_alpinist2. 01. 2010 13:15:51
geolog79 : I know it's hard. That's why I don't want to force anyone to go to the mountains with me. Regarding walking with ice axe and crampons I still need to practice. I've decided to go to Snežnik and just before the summit where that beautiful clearing is or I don't know what to call it, I'll learn at least a bit to walk in crampons and arrest with ice axe nasmeh maybe not the best location and I'll be a target of ridicule but every beginning is hard.

gregcs1 : Of gear I have nothing yet. But in the coming days I plan to buy crampons, since I already have one ice axe but it's not for whatever icy tours. I also hope to go look for a harness in the next days.
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JusAvgustin2. 01. 2010 13:33:13
Nobody will laugh at you, quite the opposite, they might follow your example. Many people don't even know how to arrest with ice axe and go to hills in winter. Everyone should practice arresting first so it gets into their blood, becomes instinctive and natural. Because in a few seconds body reaches terrifying speed, not to mention lifting legs. Winter safe movement course in mountains is not for nothing.nasmeh
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GričarA4. 01. 2010 21:16:05
The unattainable mountain is K2, but Everest is definitely tough too nasmeh
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lynx4. 01. 2010 23:03:36
I suggest you go to the youth section of your club. That way you'll get experienced company and transport. But true, they'll probably mostly be touring skiing until May.
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mladi_alpinist4. 01. 2010 23:29:39
Everest is just my dream mountain velik nasmeh maybe the route will suit me sometime. zadrega Otherwise everything is still up in the air because of school mrk pogled if all is ok with school I'll go this year (I hope) to the SP course and at the end of the year also the Alpine course. About the youth section I'm not so sure. I'll think some more.
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tol5. 01. 2010 00:42:19
First go to mountains in summer, start with easier accesses, then demanding and longer tours, then gradually move to very demanding marked paths. If you go to climbing school now that's excellent too.
Then go to some basic winter mountain movement course, join various winter hikes of clubs. Only then comes alpine school.

Don't know how it is in other clubs but in Kamnik condition for enrollment in AS is 20 completed tours in last 3 years on demanding or very demanding paths + successfully completed test tour.

I'd also advise you, for some demanding off-trail tour, after you've mastered basics, hire a mountain guide who'll safely lead you on some really more demanding off-trail.

AND gear costs some:
-shoes (summer, winter):100 EUR, 180 EUR
-hiking socks (from 15 eur per pair)
-pants (winter not in tracksuit): from 100 EUR (sales)
-jacket (softshell etc) from 50 EUR
-down jacket (winter): from 100 EUR
-backpack: from 80 EUR
-helmet: 50 EUR
-self-belay kit: 50 EUR
-climbing harness: 40 EUR
-compass: 10 EUR
-headlamp: 15 EUR
-gaiters: 20 EUR
-hiking poles: 30 EUR
-ice axe (for demanding winter ascents you need 2 ice axes): from 200 EUR
-crampons: from 90 EUR
-shovel: from 30 EUR
-avalanche probe: from 40 EUR
-beacon: from 200 EUR

So more than 1500 EUR will go for gear. Stated numbers and sum 1500 EUR is approx for basic gear. If you want really quality or more renowned, numbers go over 2000 EUR! Sport climbing school costs, alpine school too.

Anyway if you go to sport climbing school that's not enough. You need to know high mountain walking, orientation, dangers (summer, winter), build fitness. You won't learn that in sport climbing school.

Start with basics, when mastered go step forward. Gear also accumulates slowly. Once bought you have it (helmet, ice axes, crampons, gaiters,..) just replace consumables like shirts, shoes, socks...

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JusAvgustin5. 01. 2010 10:22:17
this is really the most basic equipment... better quality and more reliable equipment multiplies the 1500 by two. no one is discouraging you from the mountains, but you can't run before you can walk... mountaineering/hiking in mountains/alpinism is a cheap sport.confused
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mladi_alpinist5. 01. 2010 11:13:58
Regarding equipment I never said anything, because I know what the prices are and that I will start buying equipment slowly. Now there are sales and it's worth it. winking
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tol5. 01. 2010 11:35:45
On sale you get footwear and clothing.
I already considered the prices of shoes and clothes when I made the above list of equipment, I assumed you buy on sales.
Otherwise a technical summer boot is around 200 eur, for winter from 300 eur +.

Ice axes, crampons, helmets,... are not on sale winking

Start with summer equipment and summer hikes. You won't need ice axes for at least 2 years.

You're in too much of a hurry. Take a look at Humar's life, when he attended alpine school, when he got the alpinist title and when alpine instructor winking.

You have more than enough time, so get back to reality.

Tell what your experiences in mountains and hills are, where you've been,...
What if you're already scared on a slightly more demanding path?

Tell a bit where you've been.
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geppo5. 01. 2010 11:40:07
Actually at the beginning there's no need to rush with buying all kinds of equipment!!
Believe me! You'll need a few years of km in the mountains, then you'll realize what you need and what you don't and in what price range.
Lp
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mladi_alpinist5. 01. 2010 12:01:16
Of course. I didn't say that I dream of I don't know what and I don't know what kind of dream ascents. My motto is that you get there slowly, bit by bit. So I'm not rushing.. Of course I still need to gather mileage and yes I'll start with summer ascents. Most often I've been to Šmarna gora, because with the club (Radenska kd) we ran up every weekend. Otherwise I've been to Kofce or Veliki Vrh above Kofce, so far my only 2000m.. winking I've also been to Snežnik several times and also to some other hills, which unfortunately I don't remember the names now. I know it's very little mileage but the mountains have only recently started to interest me at all so now I've decided to start going to the mountains regularly. angryOf course. I didn't say that I dream of I don't know what and I don't know what kind of dream ascents. My motto is that you get there slowly, bit by bit. So I'm not rushing.. Of course I still need to gather mileage and yes I'll start with summer ascents. Most often I've been to Šmarna gora, because with the club (Radenska kd) we ran up every weekend. Otherwise I've been to Kofce or Veliki Vrh above Kofce, so far my only 2000m.. winking I've also been to Snežnik several times and also to some other hills, which unfortunately I don't remember the names now. I know it's very little mileage but the mountains have only recently started to interest me at all so now I've decided to start going to the mountains regularly. embarrassedOf course. I didn't say that I dream of I don't know what and I don't know what kind of dream ascents. My motto is that you get there slowly, bit by bit. So I'm not rushing.. Of course I still need to gather mileage and yes I'll start with summer ascents. Most often I've been to Šmarna gora, because with the club (Radenska kd) we ran up every weekend. Otherwise I've been to Kofce or Veliki Vrh above Kofce, so far my only 2000m.. winking I've also been to Snežnik several times and also to some other hills, which unfortunately I don't remember the names now. I know it's very little mileage but the mountains have only recently started to interest me at all so now I've decided to start going to the mountains regularly. angryOf course. I didn't say that I dream of I don't know what and I don't know what kind of dream ascents. My motto is that you get there slowly, bit by bit. So I'm not rushing.. Of course I still need to gather mileage and yes I'll start with summer ascents. Most often I've been to Šmarna gora, because with the club (Radenska kd) we ran up every weekend. Otherwise I've been to Kofce or Veliki Vrh above Kofce, so far my only 2000m.. winking I've also been to Snežnik several times and also to some other hills, which unfortunately I don't remember the names now. I know it's very little mileage but the mountains have only recently started to interest me at all so now I've decided to start going to the mountains regularly. angryOf course. I didn't say that I dream of I don't know what and I don't know what kind of dream ascents. My motto is that you get there slowly, bit by bit. So I'm not rushing.. Of course I still need to gather mileage and yes I'll start with summer ascents. Most often I've been to Šmarna gora, because with the club (Radenska kd) we ran up every weekend. Otherwise I've been to Kofce or Veliki Vrh above Kofce, so far my only 2000m.. winking I've also been to Snežnik several times and also to some other hills, which unfortunately I don't remember the names now. I know it's very little mileage but the mountains have only recently started to interest me at all so now I've decided to start going to the mountains regularly. embarrassedOf course. I didn't say that I dream of I don't know what and I don't know what kind of dream ascents. My motto is that you get there slowly, bit by bit. So I'm not rushing.. Of course I still need to gather mileage and yes I'll start with summer ascents. Most often I've been to Šmarna gora, because with the club (Radenska kd) we ran up every weekend. Otherwise I've been to Kofce or Veliki Vrh above Kofce, so far my only 2000m.. winking I've also been to Snežnik several times and also to some other hills, which unfortunately I don't remember the names now. I know it's very little mileage but the mountains have only recently started to interest me at all so now I've decided to start going to the mountains regularly. angryOf course. I didn't say that I dream of I don't know what and I don't know what kind of dream ascents. My motto is that you get there slowly, bit by bit. So I'm not rushing.. Of course I still need to gather mileage and yes I'll start with summer ascents. Most often I've been to Šmarna gora, because with the club (Radenska kd) we ran up every weekend. Otherwise I've been to Kofce or Veliki Vrh above Kofce, so far my only 2000m.. winking I've also been to Snežnik several times and also to some other hills, which unfortunately I don't remember the names now. I know it's very little mileage but the mountains have only recently started to interest me at all so now I've decided to start going to the mountains regularly. angryOf course. I didn't say that I dream of I don't know what and I don't know what kind of dream ascents. My motto is that you get there slowly, bit by bit. So I'm not rushing.. Of course I still need to gather mileage and yes I'll start with summer ascents. Most often I've been to Šmarna gora, because with the club (Radenska kd) we ran up every weekend. Otherwise I've been to Kofce or Veliki Vrh above Kofce, so far my only 2000m.. winking I've also been to Snežnik several times and also to some other hills, which unfortunately I don't remember the names now. I know it's very little mileage but the mountains have only recently started to interest me at all so now I've decided to start going to the mountains regularly. smile
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mladi_alpinist5. 01. 2010 12:06:47
I apologize. I'm writing via phone so I have some trouble. I'll write it again when I'm home.. Now I myself don't even know what means what.
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lynx5. 01. 2010 12:14:36
Another advantage of social engagement is that there you can borrow some equipment for free. E.g. maps, helmet, harness, karabiner, shovel, probes, via ferrata set ... smile
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mladi_alpinist5. 01. 2010 16:41:52
Here the main thing is just that. All other sentences repeat above. I don't know what happened that he copied everything another 10000x smile .......

Of course. I didn't say that I dream of I don't know what and I don't know what kind of dream ascents. My motto is that you get there slowly, bit by bit. So I'm not rushing.. Of course I still need to gather mileage and yes I'll start with summer ascents. Most often I've been to Šmarna gora, because with the club (Radenska kd) we ran up every weekend. Otherwise I've been to Kofce or Veliki Vrh above Kofce, so far my only 2000m.. I've also been to Snežnik several times and also to some other hills, which unfortunately I don't remember the names now. I know it's very little mileage but the mountains have only recently started to interest me at all so now I've decided to start going to the mountains regularly. winking
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hanč5. 01. 2010 17:37:50
Dear young alpinist. Considering that you are only 15 years old, I have to tell you and support you in your optimism towards this sport. Many young people like you have no goal they rather wander around, not to mention something else. You say you're from the city, which is even better because those in the countryside anyway have more opportunities to jump to a nearby hill here and there. If you stay as optimistic as you are now, I believe we'll hear a lot of good things about you. Keep it up.winking
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bridnk5. 01. 2010 19:00:58
tol,..... don't put everyone in the same basketangry, I don't know why he wouldn't need ice axes for at least another 2 years!! people from villages, hills are capable of more than walking on pavement... for one it won't be a problem if for the first tour he goes to Prisank (through the window), the other will never go, the third gradually,...
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tol5. 01. 2010 19:13:05
OK let him buy an ice axe, crampons, and go to Grintovec.
He knows where avalanche danger is, where to walk and where not, where there might be a crevasse,.... Knows how to walk with crampons up and down. Masters self-arrest with ice axe,...

I won't have him on my conscience, what about you?
Would you give two ice axes to a guy who's only been to Šmarna gora a few times and send him into the wall?
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JusAvgustin5. 01. 2010 19:14:02
what does this have to do with two ice axes (ice tools)?zmeden velik nasmeh nasmeh mežikanje
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JusAvgustin5. 01. 2010 19:17:27
come on guys you'll totally confuse him... take it easy on him, if you need more advice, explanation or whatever I think us forum folks are here for you. and don't take all answers to heart...mežikanje
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