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Extreme mountain runs - alpinistic running

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Bojan_A17. 08. 2010 14:24:24
Alpinist Christian Stangl engages in mountain running in the most extreme form.

Some of his trainings:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TO8VOexhWeg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCI6zpT1ZGE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcbGxa4b5WI&feature=related

In alpinistic circles he's apparently not the most popular, because alpinists say he degrades alpinism with his feats. big grin

Well, it was similar here 30 years ago with the Race to Črno Prst, when they said mountain running degrades mountaineering. Because of that the race sadly wasn't held for some time. In both cases it's nothing but just foolishness.
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BT8817. 08. 2010 15:03:31
Bravo Bojan, pure madness zavijanje z očmi
Mountain runners will run as long as our legs carry us into the mountains and as fast as possible, of course.jezik
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pikec117. 08. 2010 16:12:02
Yeah, this one is an extremist. He's already a bit older, so I still have time to overtake him nasmeh Hats off to him, he's so capable. But we must know that he surely has many sponsors, which we don't have in Slo. Lp
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maiden17. 08. 2010 18:48:52
This one is nuts! Respect!
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aljazek17. 08. 2010 18:52:26
Cool, got full motivation after watching these videos. Slowly got tired of running flat (20+km), now practice more mountain running and it's really great. trainingtrainingtraining nasmeh

off to run
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penzionist17. 08. 2010 23:51:34
While praising the above-mentioned feats, I can't help but have blasphemous thoughts come to mind. I'm interested in what the difference is between an extreme "endurance sport" climber (climbs exceptionally hard bolted routes in mountains), an extreme mountain runner and an extreme modern "via ferrata guy". Lately there's a trend of nailing to the cross all those who dare boast of an ascent via ferrata, while in the same breath worshipping mountain runners. Is there really an essential difference?

It's hard to talk about "genuine contact with nature" in these cases, a crowd of mountain runners would most likely destroy regular mountain paths quite a bit. Not to mention the dangers of dislodging rocks and the safety measures of runners - does anyone carry first aid, spare clothes, helmet.. ?

Of course I have no issue with mountain runners. I criticize them here only to tell them they aren't perfect either. Every visit to the wild world disturbs nature and is almost always acceptable until it's mass. Be it hikers, alpinists, runners, ferratists, cyclists, paragliders..
Then compromises are accepted. Where and how much to yield and where to draw the line. For every form of mountain visit. But one extremely disturbing factor publicly raging over another and elevating itself is somewhat insolent.

"... because alpinists say that with their feats degrades alpinism."
Wonder which alpinists consider pulling tractor tire degradation of alpinism. Also ascent of shown six-thousanders not exactly typical alpinist act, at least knowledge-wise. If strong as bull (second part of proverb I'll skip) doesn't mean good alpinist. What the alpinist definition is, potential degrader can read at start of Nejc's book.

And briefly - many different people go to mountains, space enough for all. Just less greed, envy and nastiness needed, bit more self-criticism, and already beautiful mountain (or rocky) world even more beautiful.

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klm18. 08. 2010 08:37:28
I mostly agree with Mr. pensioner. Sadly, we have to expose ourselves so much in today's world, and ambition has become one of the virtues!?! Whoever runs uphill, let him do it, after all keep the self-aggrandizement about personal achievements to himself, but then a sprained ankle won't seem so important, right!? Otherwise real mountain runners (almost) never run in the hills, but mainly on athletic tracks (intervals, intervals, intervals), or on varied forest terrain (fartlek), just running uphill isn't the best to practice due to excessive exhaustion, muscle acidification on descent and loss of speed. Whoever runs uphill in the mountains does it for himself. But inferiority complexes or self-affirmation many solve this way too, i.e. by posting personal achievements on forums and blogs.

Anyway, Stangl is primarily a professional guide and has plenty of time to do what he does. In front of the camera everyone is even more motivated. Also dragging and carrying a 30kg tractor tire is easy to film, or super fast uphill run - with that pace he'd beat Wyatt! In short, footage in front of camera is one thing, reality another. Behind it are strong sponsors. At the same time Stangl can't be a thorn in alpinists' side, because he doesn't threaten them in anything. Namely, he achieved speed ascents on the highest peaks of 7 continents via classic routes, which as we know, we no longer consider alpinistic feats today! On the route he ascended Mount Everest we meet commercial parties with rich guys who don't know the ABC of alpinism, or rather JIM guides put on crampons there for the first time, which they hadn't even heard of before!?

Such videos of extreme athletes can have positive or negative influence on viewers. Depends on perception and intelligence quotient of the viewer. If the latter is too low, Stangl quickly gets imitators...
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kremenckov ata18. 08. 2010 11:29:36
It's not that hard. I tried to Triglav and back, i.e. from Klin to Klin 3h 45 and I even had two little breaks in between. But true, there was no beer at the top so I hurried back. Triglav summit - Klin vrata 50 minutes. Because of tires I really wouldn't hurry to the mountains. They are beautiful, and I hope he carried the filth back to the valley.
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MiR18. 08. 2010 12:07:08
Please add a new section (My mouth, praise me...) and let the self-praisers argue there who runs faster. The basic purpose of this website is already quite perverted. Ordinary walkers just like to look for ideas where and of course with route descriptions, since this site is very useful, route descriptions are well written.
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BT8818. 08. 2010 13:58:29
Yeah, kremenckov, that's quite a good time or a bit of fitness and you've got it, no! rolling eyes
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Bojan_A18. 08. 2010 14:14:35
Well, I wonder too if he really ran the whole route that fast as on the clip. I'd rather say he ran one part of the route, waited for the cameraman and so on.

Otherwise everything "klm" said is completely true.
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Tomažke20. 09. 2010 00:16:44
Do you know this Swiss guy? If klm said Stangl can't be a thorn in alpinists' side, Ueli Steck is a bit closer... He practically runs when he has 2 meters of space.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQburTBH8Yo&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRpXG9sKB3E&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8oEqCPsPMA
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klm20. 09. 2010 06:57:59
Ueli Steck is something else. He is actually - not good - but top alpinist, one of the best in the world. Truly top prepared man!
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tol20. 09. 2010 10:39:35
You are funny with these clips and if you don't notice the manipulation....

What, the photographer or them he could overtake quite a lot more, but to film the thing they sent them up a day earlier?

Those 20 seconds I too run full on some slope....repeat it in a few sections and at home with good montage I make such a film that you'll all think what a super guy I am big grin

If the title is alpinistic running...then I'd like to see someone run over an overhang big grin
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klm20. 09. 2010 11:04:58
In this case Tol, it won't hold. Steck actually set speed records in ascents over the north faces of Eiger, Matterhorn and Grandes Jorasses. Check his ascent record. Although it's a fact he's a professional alpinist, behind are many strong sponsors, and he's Swiss too. What do you say about the Huber brothers and their speed feat on El Capitan?
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tol20. 09. 2010 11:11:41
Well those speed records OK up and down, who cares ok, others a bit less.
But the pace on the clips rolling eyes
I'd like to see someone climbing 1000 height meters at that pace.
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Tomažke20. 09. 2010 11:37:22
Anyway, even if those times are fudged by 15 minutes up or down, his fitness is above average. He's climbed all those routes many times already, so he has them in his pinky.
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ziga_b20. 09. 2010 15:52:42
Well I see you've tangled into a really cool debate smile Ueli Steck is the story of modern alpinism and no one reaches his ankle currently...for all skeptics this little film from Scotland, where our Tržič ace Aljaž Anderle was too. Sas

http://www.petzl.com/en/outdoor/petzl-tv/videos/mountaineering/ice-climbing-ben-nevis
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tol20. 09. 2010 17:52:29
I went today just to Kamniško sedlo, for which I needed a solid 3 hours today, which is the result of 3 days of rain and greasy food and bad feeling in the morning.

Nevertheless, now I feel very good, and the little sunshine caught me a bit velik nasmeh

Did I already mention that I treated myself to a strudel at the top of the saddle in the "dining room" with a view of the Savinja valley velik nasmeh

if I were in a hurry it would be pointless anyway velik nasmeh
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Bojan_A20. 09. 2010 18:12:52
I've been itching for a long time to run up Triglav from Vrata. But the question is whether conditions this year will allow the run to succeed for me.

Annoying at this mountain is that you can't run up during the time of best weather, because then there is too much folk. Now it would probably go, but snow fell and it's getting cold.
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klm20. 09. 2010 20:16:07
Steck is undoubtedly top fit. Tol, you can easily calculate yourself at what speed he ascended regarding his times. The calculation is dead simple: you divide the height difference he covered by the time, and consider that he did it in winter time, combined "drytooling", sometimes the slope even 90-95 degrees!?! But as Tomažke and ziga b already said, he is really at home there, those 3 mentioned mountains (which in the 30s of last century were the last unclimbed problems of the Alps) or their north faces he knows better than anyone else. During filming it wasn't his first ascent on them, but he studied them in detail in stages before etc. Just like a sport climber or boulderer tackles his problem. For some that's a challenge too.
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