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| jax16. 01. 2015 16:57:40 |
I have to respond to that. I simply don't know who, who cares about themselves, would go to the hills in all kinds of conditions. In certain conditions it's simply the safest and most sensible to stay home, no matter how much it pulls us there. And that doesn't mean at all that one goes to the hills only in dry summer times. On the contrary, in all seasons there are conditions when it's great in the hills, and those when it's best to stay in front of the TV.
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| tol16. 01. 2015 17:01:38 |
Zbedi has summed it up nicely.
Most of us, even if we think our feats are top-notch, are still ordinary average Joes. And most who read the forum hike recreationally.
Top gear? Yes, if you need it?
When do you know you need it? When others tell you or when you figure out yourself what you need in certain conditions?
I'm tired of this lemonade. Clearly, we're divided into two camps.
I just said that I have clothes and shoes from renowned and "quality" manufacturers, as well as some cheap stuff from Lidl, Hofer, Intersport, Hervis...
Not all stuff from Lidl/Hofer is OK... but there are lots of useful things... it's true they don't have a permanent offer. Over the years, I've collected so much clothing from Hofer/Lidl that it covers almost all sports I do.
I really don't know where this paranoia about cheap articles comes from? OK, bad experiences from practice I understand. But being a priori against it without practical experience is just threshing empty straw.
Otherwise, in Intersport an average hiker satisfies all his needs for hiking gear that will serve him for many years.
Sometimes when we advise, we don't see the full picture of the one who needs advice.
My opinion is that those who need top gear must, at the moment when such a need arises, already know themselves approximately what they need and what it will be used for.
If you don't know it yourself, in my opinion you're not yet ripe for such gear/shoes/clothing... let alone for hard and "top" feats 
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| Janez Seliškar16. 01. 2015 17:43:30 |
Old saying goes that clothes make the man, a real mountaineer for sure not.
For average hikers to whom mountain walking is recreation and weekend fun, gear from those stores is perfectly fine.
Whoever can afford more, can buy gear from famous brands, but just because of that his achievements won't carry more weight.
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| miri16. 01. 2015 18:07:25 |
Let's ask ourselves why we go to the hills and mountains.
Because of clothes, achievements, records, pics on websites? Or, maybe, for our soul?
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| Branee16. 01. 2015 18:18:55 |
Janez, that clothes don't make a mountaineer is absolute truth and achievements won't be any bigger either. But talk was about demanding users from tol..
@Miri, people have various "agendas". Some are posers, others runners, some passionate photographers and romantics don't lack either, but it's true that the latter are fewer lately due to lifestyle.
And pointless to prolong this debate, it won't end. Over & out.
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| Janez Seliškar16. 01. 2015 18:27:52 |
Demanding users don't give a damn about this portal. They know exactly what they need and don't ask us recreational folks.
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| mukica16. 01. 2015 19:28:47 |
We started hiking in the hills in regular sports pants, which in summer soaked up sweat so they got heavy, in a windbreaker after 10 steps you were rotting...Gradually, piece by piece we bought mountaineering gear..every month something...we got quite a lot of it, higher quality and we don't regret any extra €, believe me it pays off....
I won't forget the incident at the photographer's when I brought the developed pictures.. questions... So many peaks you've hiked, and you always have the same rags....actually every now and then I get pictures developed from each mountain visit and in a few years the clothes are mostly really the same, only we two are a bit changed
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| jax16. 01. 2015 20:46:32 |
@mukica
We started hiking hills in regular sports pants, which in summer soaked sweat so heavy,
In that case you wear shorts.
in windbreaker after 10 steps rotting
In that case you take off the windbreaker. Anyway I personally use windbreaker very little while walking, only if rain catches me or maybe on some very windy ridge. It's more clothing for stops.
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| mukica16. 01. 2015 21:17:45 |
Jax....
they were shorts, but material didn't dry and windbreaker too I took off as soon as not needed anymore and changed to dry clothes...in backpack there was more reserve.
Wanted to say that few years ago I had different clothes, worse materials..
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| dkrajnc2717. 01. 2015 04:32:59 |
@Janez Seliškar, fully agree with you
If you feel love for hills and nature, you'll go somehow dressed...these days more and more on certain local hills, all like a mondo pista 
Well for those over 2500m, you just need a bit more extra gear, otherwise unfortunately no go
Otherwise personally I gradually bought various pieces of clothing, otherwise simply doesn't work
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| nordkap17. 01. 2015 09:41:07 |
Damn you've written so much about stuff, but my intent wasn't to start such debate.
I just asked for some quality summer pants for high mountains or hiking, and nobody recommended specifically from experience, just Lidl/Hofer yes or no.
Maybe I should make poll question:
Which pants (type, maker) are you most satisfied with?
Something like that.
Just came back from Uršlja Gora wet, now drying and laughing at your debates.
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| GregorC17. 01. 2015 09:59:57 |
Maker Ice peak, which model exactly I don't know
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| IgorZlodej17. 01. 2015 11:10:37 |
Tailoring Arcet, Mala vas, Bovec, excellent materials, made to measure, for those who go to the mountains , and for those who take girls to Triglav , Hiking, and hunting program, some Lidl, some Hofer, we don't have that here
http://www.krojastvo-arcet.si/
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| krist217. 01. 2015 12:13:21 |
I highly recommend Schoeller dryskin material. Pants from this material are waterproof, dry well and breathe, very durable, block wind quite well. I've had such pants for 10 years and they're almost like new. In winter you can wear long johns under them, for summer they're too warm. Different models have Kevlar reinforcements in different parts. Whether you need reinforcement depends on what you'll use them for.
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| ljubitelj gora17. 01. 2015 12:16:10 |
Stuff from Lidl that's "dumped" from some shopping warehouse so cheap and not bad, breathes a bit worse, but as jax said you take it off. And very high margins of some retailers in renowned hiking gear stores, cuz they cover all business costs just with that gear. Margins surely 70%.
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| Pero_2417. 01. 2015 12:41:58 |
I have McKinley pants, these DryPlus, very comfortable and I feel great in them. I think they're not exactly winter type, but last time on Grintovec -10 and strong wind, they were still totally great. I also have some other McKinley gear: backpack, shoes (highly recommend those). Overall I think this manufacturer's gear is good and reliable. Best regards
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| mukica17. 01. 2015 14:27:10 |
A bit thicker Vaude, thinner Karibu schoeller dryskin... the first ones for several years already, very satisfied
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| Kolar17. 01. 2015 17:06:20 |
I have Inovo winter softshell jacket from Lidl, been everywhere with it incl Triglav in winter, always take it skiing whether High Tatras or local hill. Never too cold, never soaked.
From Lidl I also have long johns, lots of hiking and ski socks, summer hiking pants (winter ones from Icepeak), girlfriend has boots from there..
Every now and then I renew the protective layer on the jacket (impregnate it) and no problems ever.
Probably I'll be labeled a fool.
Don't know your experiences with HoferLidl gear but I'm very satisfied with it
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| viharnik17. 01. 2015 18:09:49 |
Margins in stores are 100% and more, so item supplied for say 50 eur, sold for 100 and more eur.
At sales stuff sold with 50% discount, but you think retailer goes into own loss, still profits.
As for quality, I'm still a fan, if I buy something, that gear is quality and serves you for years good and bad. You can hike mountains in jeans too, but when weather turns or long tour ahead, then the product designed for mountain conditions shows. Difference just in Schoeller quality or differently knitted fleece in same product (Lidl or mountaineering stores) is big and that's reflected in price. Don't know if Hofer pants would hold after more than ten years of tours like my current Mammut ones.
I think local textile factories (ex Vrh company) can be fully competitive with quality to main firms shaping world trends.
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