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| Karletto29. 08. 2011 09:19:37 |
I'd like to make a marking at some place because there's an excellent view of Triglav there. It seems to me that this would be interesting info mainly for occasional hikers who frequent there - low hill.
I'm thinking of simply carving an arrow and text with a chisel and small mallet. Plenty of stones. On the other hand a wooden sign on a post is also ok. Experiences? Do markers paint on stones with metal paint?
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| Žiga2229. 08. 2011 10:11:50 |
First things first, are you maybe a PZS marker?
If not, better leave the whole thing alone. If it really itches you so much to mark the thing (as you wrote), then better turn to the marking section of the local PD that covers the area you describe.
I seriously think the mountains are already way too disfigured by such "I-would-be-a-marker" individuals. Especially, there's no need to "screw" every corner in our mountains.
And also; if someone doesn't recognize the silhouette and looks at Triglav, then there's really no help for him  .
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| garmont29. 08. 2011 13:18:54 |
I think you missed the title. Markacija is a specific round shape, but you want to point out a special place with a different type of warning. I think it is really best to contact the PD that takes care of the marked path on this section (if it is marked).
Lp
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| heinz29. 08. 2011 23:30:26 |
Some small wooden plank with an arrow and inscription >lookout< surely wouldn't bother anyone, especially since you know that it could delight many. If someone pulls it off or destroys it, then at least you'll know if it was worth being so kind-hearted.
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| bdolmovi30. 08. 2011 12:43:42 |
Any messing around in the mountains is forbidden, especially if the path is not marked. Everything that markers do in the mountains is legally determined and there are regulations for everything. Markers also need certain permissions for interventions in nature. If everyone in turn put up signs in the mountains, I wouldn't dare imagine what our mountains would be like, although I often notice various sprays on rocks or trees, which is far from nice marking. And one more thing, such a black placement of marking can mislead someone and they will miss on the next less visible section and problems arise. Nice regards, marker Bojč.
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| Jany30. 08. 2011 13:06:55 |
I fully agree with the previous one.
We must never allow every individual to mark, their own important matters in nature their way. Yeah, where would we get to? Soon it'll be like at the main entrances to cities.
Whether the law decrees so or not. NEVER.
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| Karletto30. 08. 2011 15:34:58 |
Well, I really agree that such marking could mislead someone and they'd 'get lost'. So I'd use the inscription "View of Triglav".
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| tomiš30. 08. 2011 21:38:52 |
What all comes to people's minds! But to join some marking action, no, not that...
I'd really like to meet that hero who marked the part of the path from Žagana peč towards Kalška gora, and I think something similar happened somewhere above Okrešlje!
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| Valuk31. 08. 2011 08:29:19 |
Unbelievable!
>Karletto, since you're interested in marking, first sign up for a marker course via some PD, so you'll realize that what you're asking isn't done.
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| Sam.volk31. 08. 2011 08:30:59 |
Karletto, quite simply: until you're a registered PZS marker, you can't and mustn't mark trails alone. But you can help someone qualified. Lp
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| heinz31. 08. 2011 09:23:17 |
you attacked poor unsuspecting Karletto, who I believe had no intent to do unsightly >packing< with sprays, mislead passersby etc!
If only we advocated such purity everywhere..
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| wolphgang31. 08. 2011 10:07:59 |
uff, some jealous ones. In my opinion jealousy doesn't belong in mountains.
especially these forums have too much bickering and that doesn't befit real hikers.
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| IgorZlodej31. 08. 2011 10:31:03 |
Always a dilemma when someone's description is unclear and self-doubting or even mysterious. If Karletto wrote which trail (could already be marked) and which low hill, all doubts and discussions would be unnecessary. Karletto, speak up, then ask the trail maintainer, maybe you can do something useful together. If a spot is interesting for a nice view on a mountain, nothing wrong with marking it properly. Most observe the trail and area, but some go 100 times on the same path and see nothing or not the interesting bits.
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| gregcs131. 08. 2011 10:52:45 |
Cairns are a kind of marking too, anyone can make them... 
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| Žan31. 08. 2011 13:38:46 |
First I'd praise Karletto for good intent: guy wants to do good for free. He approached it correctly: asked advice from folks he thought knew more. Asked us all on forum - right forum.
Question maybe ambiguous, so most didn't get it, leading to (justified) outrage from true markers.
If I get it right, Karletto is not marking whole trail, no new (knafl) marks. Just wants to mark spot where path to nice viewpoint branches. Draw arrow and add text.
He can. Many such signs like "kislo mleko 100m", "Pajotova klopca", not mentioning poetic "Hodi v hribe dokler je še čas..."
Friendly, nice, useful sign shouldn't bother anyone. Karletto wants nice useful, asked experts. Please, someone with good experience help him.
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| JusAvgustin31. 08. 2011 16:12:36 |
if we're already talking about cairns, not everyone should be building cairns either... we know why, mainly because a well-placed cairn exactly at the right spot is a useful thing. But if we built cairns everywhere it could mislead someone badly. Likewise I don't agree with repairing markings, adding your own signs and marking with spray... What bothers me most is forestry spray and "arrows" on trees. Otherwise even in the hills you rarely experience that "real" primal atmosphere anymore. Where it's not marked it's mostly logged for that reason. But I'm happy to tell you that even with us there are peaks where there's not even a cairn, let alone other "markings"
My humble opinion...
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| MITOL31. 08. 2011 21:16:22 |
I'm glad that you first ask for advice like Karleto with two t's before violating Zplan and especially misleading hikers. We can't allow everyone to do whatever they want, if he wants to be a marker let him sign up for the markers course in 2012 both are still free, there he'll get knowledge and colleagues with whom he can mark if his fingers itch and his "brush" runs, for more zoomed views he can join the action on Triglav, he'll be good for carrying pitons and cables.
Definitely there are other options for marking viewpoints than Knafelj marking which according to law is used for main paths!
We have tourist associations and LTOs; let him connect with them and install their sign, if he doesn't want to establish contact with local PD as you correctly advised him before me, we also have KPP at PZS (maybe he already turned to it??)
IgorZ I still think it's a shame about missing the fifth day
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| B231. 08. 2011 22:16:57 |
Karletto! You have a PM (private message). Be brave and reply! Nice regards!
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| 1mitjas1. 09. 2011 08:28:07 |
Thorough work done by trained people.
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| heinz1. 09. 2011 23:14:46 |
I think some who consider themselves >markacists< should be at least a bit more literate than they present on these pages.. I hope they at least distinguish colors!
Karletto made a big mistake with his question as he triggered countless >pahor-like< responses.
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