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Inner feelings or experiences of mountains

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viharnik28. 11. 2009 14:13:06
Yes, if you were a Tibetan Buddhist who melts ice under his feet barefoot - opening of the Svadhisthana chakra.
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heinz28. 11. 2009 14:52:58
Let's not forget that other planets in the universe also have huge mountain ranges on their surface. If it were possible to list them, clearly there would quickly be a shortage of gods and goddesses and their abodes..
That's just how it is when man imagines God "in his own image"..
Spirituality and mountains can be connected "normally" to some extent if we understand the former as what it is; personal growth. Humar, although he was somehow religious or convinced in some eastern deities or their interpretations, explained the matter in a fairly realistic tone, with the words: "Mountains are honest, if you bullshit, it can cost you dearly, even your life."
Still, we all know well that he wasn't punished by some god at the end for bullshitting.
But it's the same with many other activities, sports and non-sports..
If you don't have knowledge and experience, you're more likely to get hurt, and it's nonsensical to claim that it's because you went "unclean" to a "holy mountain" and some god or goddess punished you for it..
All life is one big school.
In the mountains this school program just runs a bit faster. Still, it's more or less that way - depending on the person.
Many still "bullshit".
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Nosko28. 11. 2009 16:22:47
When reading some posts in this thread I see that we have quite a lot of philosophers on the forum velik nasmeh

Regarding hiking I think it definitely contributes to personal growth, because the feelings you experience in the mountains are unique. You can't experience that for example in the city, no matter what sport you're doing.
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viharnik28. 11. 2009 16:40:48
Thanks to Tadej for opening a new thread, although with polemics on this topic we won't exactly enlighten ourselves, because as already said, it's too complicated to understand. The subtle human system is actually very complex: seven main chakras, around a thousand sub-chakras, meridians and channels... All this works in us spontaneously, similar to how we can't stop the growth of a tree. It grows according to the principle of the record and structure of divine presence.
Heinz's explanation unfortunately doesn't hold up to a large extent. In India they know thousands of gods, besides the main ones, and each performs specific divine work: Indra manages rain, Agni fire, Vayu wind, Adi Bhomi Devi earth element, Lakshmi well-being, Durga protection of man who sets out on the spiritual path, Jesus takes ego and forgives, Krishna gives collectivity, speech, Vishnu cares for human evolution, Brahma for the path to divine, Shiva destroys anti-divine, Brahmadeva Sarasvati imparts pure divine knowledge, Ganesha (little elephant) is a symbol of earth and mountains, which protects man from all four sides of heaven, removes obstacles, gives joy, childlike purity, maintains human gravity, supports joy in the spine, dignity and well-being, happiness.
Tomaž, despite briefly visiting Sai Baba (a charlatan from India - caught on camera when giving "from God" to others, hiding things behind his sleeve), achieved a lot himself.
Even if we get injured or even pass away in extreme situations, it's not necessarily that we sinned something for it because in climbing there are simply too many factors to be completely protected. Rather Ganesha still protects the spirit of the deceased and leads him to a friendly soul world of God.
With purity it's like this. Among us Sahaja Yogis, people who came to Puja (worship of God in meditation), due to the strong present energies of God, even when Mother wasn't here, fell to the ground - beginners. Because in Puja you must be in the center, without superfluous thoughts, focused on vibrations. Another once brought a spray as a gift to the Holy Mother and sprayed it near her with good intention. But because of the artificial substance of the spray, blood poured from his nose, because divine vibrations don't accept anything that they are not. A Sahaja yogi once crashed head-on into a truck with a motorcycle and survived only with some scratches. Tomaž was also given that he didn't fall directly into the abyss, that he left at least in one piece, because otherwise when you're torn apart, it's a big shock for the spirit and it has to reassemble again and follows to the beyond. So everything was laid down already at birth in us. We are a copy of the universal God. Among us children who are spotless, unburdened and simple are the best and strongest yogis. The emptier your mind is, the more permeable your subtle system is, both within the system and the input of energies through chakras from the cosmos.
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heinz28. 11. 2009 17:30:33
Nature is simple, complicated (read complex/unnatural) are we humans, poor wretches who think that we will meet some deities in the beyond if we go to the mountains or even die there..
The "explanation" as you say is no explanation at all, nor is it mine, it's facts that are understandable to children (if you're mentioning them anyway).
I go to the mountains with the intention of relieving myself of complicated, philosophical, religious and I don't know what other sorceries.
I doubt that a person burdened with so many religious dogmas can enjoy the hills as relaxedly as most of us who (thank God) don't deal with borderline sciences.
A few years ago I actively studied and taught the Holy Scripture. I don't do that anymore, not because it was something bad, but simply because theory also needs to be lived in a simple life way. That's given to us, or that's the purpose.
The basic mistake of most religions is precisely that either their believers want to become "like God", or (which is similar) they want to have God "in their own image".. Idol worship. Whoever is not God is for them just an idol (false image). So I (or you) am also an idol if I want to be "like God", or if I imagine him "in my own image". So let's not overdo it with strange ideas (after all the gods who control: rain, wind, fire (weather), well-being, collectivity etc. have completely lost it.
We all know that man is to blame for that. So he is stronger than the listed "gods" and "goddesses".
Viharnik, if you want to discuss some religious (which is by no means the same as spiritual) aspects or feelings of experiencing mountains so much, suggest to Tadej to open another thread: "religious views of climbers", but believe me if that happens you'll be pretty lonely there.
Good luck, or rather wisely in the hills!, applies to us and everyone!
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heinz28. 11. 2009 18:30:03
Reksi simply enjoys and doesn't burden himself with anything. That's true wisdom!
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viharnik28. 11. 2009 18:43:36
I agree, Heinz! That's exactly what I wanted to convey, but at the end you mixed everything up... So, 15-minute meditation in the morning and evening in a state without thoughts, when the heart (spirit) becomes the guide instead of the head (emotions), doesn't hurt, apparently—verified.
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Kriška28. 11. 2009 19:30:24
Viharnik, I like you, I like reading your trip descriptions to the mountains, you post really nice photos, but still I think that explanations of religious systems really don't belong on hribi.net. Nice and right if sometimes with a word next to the trip description you mention your mental state while enjoying the view, but all those detailed explanations of the religious system, the religion you practice, bother me. I wish you your faith, but let us search for religion information elsewhere, not here.
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bronkobil28. 11. 2009 21:43:39
Kosobrin already said "for every disease a herb grows"

So against excessive intolerance, nervousness and similar disorders, chamomile, melissa, (hops - this one is very interesting), passionflower apparently act mildly sedative (valerian maybe only if viharnik ever writes more than 50 lines about his spirituality).
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mad matheuss29. 11. 2009 01:36:41
forum conditions =/= forum spirituality

Too bad there's no herb yet for brains velik nasmeh
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viharnik29. 11. 2009 07:52:06
I'm glad you are all so self-sufficient in the spiritual field and so convinced that only what you feel now on the evolutionary path exists, and no higher divine kingdom or samadhi (complete salvation and bliss, unity) state exists in humans, which is achievable here and now in this world. You know that saying: When the disciple (sadaka) is ready and knocks on the door, the door opens for him.
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bronkobil29. 11. 2009 08:56:59
I have too hard a head for that, no herb either to improve me.
Maybe precisely therefore I won't judge things I don't endorse. If written with good will and intention, surely won't harm me.


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mad matheuss29. 11. 2009 09:24:28
I didn't judge viharnik's "things". To each his own. I was just warning that they don't belong on this forum. Is that so hard to understand?
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gregcs129. 11. 2009 09:30:17
@bronkobil

Any advice how to plant and care for passionflower so it grows? I've tried several times, but somehow it doesn't work. Maybe put it in a warm greenhouse? Winter garden? Pot with special soil?

velik nasmeh
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geppo29. 11. 2009 09:33:28
Passionflower...
Pasijonka1
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jprim29. 11. 2009 09:40:51
Viharnik, no offense, are you a very lonely person or are you alone?zmeden
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viharnik29. 11. 2009 09:46:00
I never, because God's company always accompanies me wherever I am.
Like for example Sri KALKI-deity of holy fire1
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gregcs129. 11. 2009 17:37:05
I'm more interested (pure curiosity) in how you sailed into these waters? I assume you were raised in a Christian spirit?
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viharnik29. 11. 2009 19:47:32
You mean, sailed or sailed away?
I don't want to turn Hribi net into ezoterika net at all, but if you're asking, I can't deny God in any case. Like Tomaž Humar, I've been scooping spirituality with big spoons since young days. Faiths, book learning and other beliefs have no noble role in seeking the field of unity. It lives in everyone in the depths among us, because we are copies of the universal God. You just need to follow the depths of the spirit within yourself, what it tells you. In today's civilization chaos it's certainly hard. Contact with the true spirit (path) in oneself is achievable only by regular meditation (state without thoughts, heart takes over from the "all-knowing" intellect-head where conditionings reside. Left channel at the forehead - self-accusation that I'm worthless, and right when we claim to be the best of all. These two are a big problem in society, which we call Ego. We rid ourselves of it only with regular meditation, when at some point it radically fights for existence, later it must go too. When that happens, your spirit is truly free, rid of all ideas, pride, worries, future, past, as it is unconditioned and lives in the pure present. This is the special state of consciousness of saints, eternal, unconditional and independent of anything, similar to how Tomaž described it high in the walls of the Himalayas. Alone with yourself, no more questions, all anxiety and uncertainty disappear, you feel and see everything multi-layered around yourself, spirit swims in primal spirit.
All faiths arose only as a consequence of God's messengers on earth: Jesus-Christianity, Mohamed-later Islam, Buddha-Buddhism, Krishna, Rama-Hinduism. Later all holy testaments and recommendations were quite falsified for self-benefit. One is distorted faith, the other personal growth. Follow your spirit. It knows best what the dharmic-divine protocol is, let go of everything else you see and hear outside yourself. Own spirit knows what is permitted and what not.
Quoting the source of our Sahaja Yoga:
Seekers of inner truth are often disappointed by the hypocrisy of organized religions and frauds of false prophets and teachers. But the path to spiritual realization exists. Buddha, Mohamed, Christ... spoke of it. Every human can reach this natural state of consciousness.
Beyond known aspects of human consciousness - physical, rational, emotional, psychological - exists another state of consciousness of which artists, poets, prophets often spoke, but called it by different names.
This state of consciousness overcomes limits of human personality with all its conflicts and approaches the heart of reality, the absolute. This is the Yoga of which the Vedas speak. It is union with the whole, universal harmony. It is complete satisfaction where all anxieties and fears fade, even disease and death must retreat. By Buddha it is Samadhi, by the Bible God's kingdom, by Zen Satori. The simplest and most direct path to this joyful world is Sahaja Yoga. Lp-Rok
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aljazek29. 11. 2009 20:06:33
Viharnik, I understand you. Eastern religions are close to my thinking, though I don't belong to any. Closest is Slavic "paganism" or simply pantheistic philosophy. We both feel the same flame, the same "god" but different words and "religion structure". As you see it bothers some, so it's good to limit it a bit. Look at me, I'd already write my religious book on hribi.net, but I hold back. After all, your faith won't be any smaller if you don't spread it among people who aren't interested. But we two can arrange something :-)
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