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| iUnknown29. 07. 2020 13:05:58 |
@miri. I think GRS mostly doesn't have problems with those who at least have Locus Map on their phone.
I hike a lot on unknown paths and then first do a little research on the internet, find a GPX file from someone who's been there, or draw my own GPX to follow more easily during the hike and I've never had problems.
But it's quite possible that those who blame GPS use Google Maps, which really isn't suitable for hiking. I remember that a few years ago it was drawn that Kamniška Bistrica flows over Kamniško Sedlo into the Savinja valley.
And I'm not even talking about some really stupid navigations that some use. A month ago, for example, on Planina Dol I was convincing a guy from Celje with a Renault Captur that you can't go directly down to Kamniška Bistrica by car and that he has to go back to Kranjski Rak and Črnivec. But it was almost impossible to convince him, because that oh-so-great Renault navigation showed it that way. You really need a bit of common sense.
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| Trobec29. 07. 2020 14:46:54 |
@iUnknown, reminds me of an incident (not hiking-related), when Japanese were looking for Postojna Cave in Ljubljana with GPS. Oh, on Postojnska Street.
And there are more similar cases. In short, relying 100% on modern aids for orientation (without any sense of space and map reading) is like going diving without knowing how to swim. If there are no technical issues, it usually works...
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| Misantrof29. 07. 2020 15:00:34 |
For me personally, one of the most important things is the preparation for the trip itself. By that I mean a detailed review of the route on a classic paper map or on geopedia, which is an excellent tool for me, and checking the description here or on similar sites. If we take time for that and not just skim superficially, an otherwise unknown tour becomes somehow familiar. If we at least partially remember the course (harder sections, direction, navigation points), then using the map and other modern aids on the tour itself is much easier and more reliable.
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| Enka29. 07. 2020 15:03:20 |
No, the K24 challenge can, as proven, be nicely hiked/run in 24 hours with the help of a suitable GPS track (of course together with using mountaineering experience, common sense, open eyes and such), even if you haven't hiked much in those areas before, that's why I shared the link. It's always a matter of debate what one likes or not, but it's a shame not to do something just because you resist "newfangled stuff". Which definitely have their advantages, but of course you need to be aware of their limitations too. And yes, the Locus Map app is also a nice thing and comes in handy.
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| Misantrof29. 07. 2020 16:04:46 |
We've covered navigation, but perhaps a warning that K24 sounds awfully nice, but demands quite some mental and physical strength from the individual. In your place, I wouldn't tackle this loop fully if you haven't previously, for example, easily done crossing Pohorje in one day or some 50km+ tour with over 2000m ascent. I don't want to discourage anyone from trying at all, we can always end early and focus on beer, but the tour is fun only when it doesn't turn into total agony.
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| Misantrof29. 07. 2020 16:57:43 |
One more anecdote, since we're on the topic. A few years ago, a buddy tugged my sleeve and suggested I take him on K24, although I knew he was a capable sprinter, it still seemed to me he lacked the mileage for such feats. After a few days of persuasion, I gave in and the date was set. He started well, with the mentality "I'll finish even if I die", but it was a pig-hot day and after three quarters the suffering began, he didn't give up, the loop was done but at what cost. When he took off his socks it looked just like he'd returned from months of trench warfare, and probably the boss wasn't too happy when he took two weeks of vacation for recovery  .
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| Trobec29. 07. 2020 17:28:10 |
At least he took vacation, not sick leave (like an acquaintance once after a somewhat forced 1-day Triglav) 
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| redbull29. 07. 2020 18:38:39 |
Misantrof, good story
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| UROS129. 07. 2020 22:46:38 |
That's it and exactly like that it will be dprapr! I'll go and, as it looks, alone, whatever will be will be. In the worst case I'll just need 24+ hours... and the challenge will stay for another time.
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| mihaelr921. 08. 2020 14:26:59 |
Hello Uroš and others,
with friends we were preparing to conquer K24 for the second time this weekend, but the weather forecast is bad. Currently we are still arranging next dates...
On the first K24 we had most trouble in the direction between Pikovo and the hut at Peč and from Kumra to Olševa, where we searched for the right path several times, mainly due to fallen trees, missing markings ...
My route: https://www.strava.com/activities/2634661572.
Not only do you have to walk around 90 km and do 5300 m elevation, your subconscious (psyche) starts chasing you too, especially when you realize you've been awake more than 24h. That's when the real fight with the path and yourself begins. Let me mention you need to take quite some gels with you and energy tablets and hydration drinks. Support along the path is almost necessary, because you can't carry all fluids and food in your backpack all the time. If you're not well conditioned, I advise against the route, if you are, go boldly.
After K24 you'll have walking troubles for 2-3 days (mainly knees will hurt, suggest using vacation), a blister on the sole might burst, ... recommend painkillers and hiking poles (especially for descents). Calculate how many calories you need to eat and when to refuel. Hope you've tested some gels and tablets already.
If anything else interests you, just ask.
Best,
Mihael
P.S.: have you maybe already tackled the route?
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