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| ljubitelj gora11. 01. 2014 10:34:35 |
On the PZS page it clearly says that every foreign rescue is PAID, then after all these hard days, weeks a form is sent and maybe you get the amount refunded. Here no PZS membership is needed because rescue costs are covered from the RS budget. If someone insures it's because they visit our huts to sleep, 3-4 nights and you're already in the plus, if you never sleep it's useless to join! If you visit foreign mountains even just Stol from the Austrian side then you risk, membership in Austria costs 55 euros and covers only assistance, so besides our mandatory insurance you need additional Coris or elsewhere, conditions are written, just need to read them. Now for those who visit foreign mountains only a few times a year, no problem for that day you can fully insure at Coris but annual premium costs considerably more. Various easy paths in foreign mountains, also snakes there that can bite you and you need quick help or step in a hole and twist your ankle. I almost "dropped dead" when after Cjajnik I learned about this PZS insurance or misleading (was member 1 year, so supposedly insured), even though I went fully equipped (everything needed for ferrata) you never know where you fall and need heli on ferrata. And I have no idea why those who are invited somewhere are not warned about these facts, mountains are mountains need heli, vacation and walking on the coast is walking, there if you fall you need only emergency medical help, so European card, get at ZZRS. If someone thinks differently ala calm down that's life, then I don't even know why they are additionally health insured, why casco for car, why house insurance, why life!!! Once there were no such insurances, after accident up there left to yourself, many stayed there forever bla bla bla someone will say again, why so much talk... here you have website and join: http://www.alpenverein.at/portal/
, if someone doesn't know the language copy the link to Google translator. https://www.alpenverein.at/mitglied_werden/index.php?sid=cc120240-370b-44e4-8ca1-507b2deb79a4 . That's the facts, but wisely, safely and with head to foreign mountains maybe calmly skip this, what I wrote before.
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| julius11. 01. 2014 10:54:46 |
Primoza, read it once more when and by what procedure they handle cases.
Cases are handled after receipt of the claim for payment of rescue costs and medical care.
Until the final resolution, everyone is the payer of all costs they had with both rescue and health care. This proves their statement that five cases have been resolved, one still in process.
When reading, don't miss the fine print. It's annoying reading, but there the essence is hidden.
Our people keep proofs and you can review them.
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| viharnik11. 01. 2014 14:09:43 |
Given that competition is already present everywhere, PZS can't stand out much with quality of services from other mountaineering insurances in Europe. Searching for a cat in a bag these times really makes no sense. There are things in life much more important than interpretations of negligible differences. Whether you eat Vindija kefir or Krepki suhec, there won't be anything essentially different.
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| jax11. 01. 2014 14:45:50 |
Look, there's another thing in the background that no one has mentioned yet, and it's probably just as important: PZS is the only one among the major mountaineering organizations that offers basic membership (B membership), which for an affordable price offers only the basic scope of benefits. ÖAV really offers more, but you need to know the price is three times higher, and it offers no option for membership with smaller scope of benefits for lower price. Now - PZS could probably offer more for A+ members and abolish other membership categories in return (well, benefits for students and retirees can stay), but I think there would be even more complaints and membership drop. What would be better, everyone can judge for themselves now.
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| viharnik11. 01. 2014 15:12:29 |
We should also be more patriotically protective when allocating our money, not letting everything go across the border. Then we cry like children that there's no this and that. Of course there can't be, and conditions won't improve long-term this way either.
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| julius11. 01. 2014 15:38:38 |
Jax, both A+ and A membership fees are higher than the ÖAV one.
The ÖAV one is around 150% higher than our B membership fee.
Then there are different variants for pensioners and youth from both sides.
Primoza, guaranteeing 1000€ and more for rescue is a tough bite for many today. If predictions come true that they'll also bill for rescue here, it'll be devilishly interesting.
Viharnik, in any case money goes across the Karawanks. PZS ended long-term cooperation with Tilia and insured members with Wiener Städtische. ÖAV can provide insurance with assistance, PZS cannot.
When you have the choice to go to foreign mountains too and not just set records of how many times in the current year on the hill above the village to get a plaque and free tea at the end of the year, no dilemma. Despite all patriotism, with sadness in your heart you pay membership to a foreigner.
Why whine. They used to say: "Everyone in their own way, Bohinc with the drill".
Best regards to all and many beautiful moments in the mountains.
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| jax11. 01. 2014 16:46:44 |
Jax, both A+ and A membership fees are higher than the ÖAV one.
The ÖAV one is around 150% higher than our B membership fee.
Isn't that enough? The fact is, PZS is more flexible in this regard.
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| explorer11. 01. 2014 18:35:57 |
And why should I settle for some organization claiming and almost obliging me that I need a membership fee here, if I don't go to huts (we know how rescue is). I'd rather see paths poorly marked and huts in ruins, then at least less hustle in the hills and more peace at least there..., they won't see a single € from me.
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| smatjaz11. 01. 2014 19:54:40 |
Explorer, nowhere is it mentioned that membership is almost mandatory! If you avoid huts, or even if you sleep in a bivouac, you just pay more because you have no member discounts, you insure yourself for accidents in various places anyway, so the decision to be or not to be a member of a mountaineering club or federation is entirely individual. For me personally, the discount in huts repays the membership cost several times, because I do multi-day tours often. B membership in PD Domžale is 23€, and this year I plan at least 10 nights in huts, so that's one of my reasons and my humble opinion.
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| viharnik11. 01. 2014 20:05:48 |
In PD Matica I've been registered since '81, when instead of an indoor space to the street there was only a window open like at a kiosk and I'll stay there. Regardless that part of the insurance premium goes to Wiener Städtische, part of the money covers our Slovenian mountaineering spirit and PZS activities in our mountains. In this crisis we can't expect top services from the institution, but with our own work and loyalty we can improve and support things.
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| julius11. 01. 2014 20:46:52 |
primoza
My membership in mountaineering clubs is more than thirty-three years longer than yours. Currently you're dealing with mountaineering, climbing and sport climbing education of children, me with upbringing of grandchildren in same fields. That's why it angers and saddens me even more that young upstarts brought me to phase where I have to join foreigners to have quality insurance for my activities in mountains in Europe and world.
So that they got some incentives from foreign insurance house, I don't intend to pay extra neither Coris nor Helvio nor...
In short, as far as I'm concerned let them go to hell, if you others think boys are just fine, keep them. Of course without me!
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| jax11. 01. 2014 20:55:04 |
My membership in mountaineering clubs is more than thirty-three years longer than yours. Currently you're dealing with mountaineering, climbing and sport climbing education of children, me with upbringing of grandchildren in same fields. That's why it angers and saddens me even more that young upstarts brought me to phase where I have to join foreigners to have quality insurance for my activities in mountains in Europe and world.
It's funny, I already feel like playing PZS lawyer, which wasn't my intention at all, but here I really have to chime in. If you've really been with PZS that long, you could know that insurance offered by these "young upstarts" is much better than what PZS ever offered in more "romantic" times. Of course we can resort to platitudes about how times have changed, but that doesn't change the fact.
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| smatjaz11. 01. 2014 20:56:18 |
Viharnik, seems there was instruction in the air today for such work, I also "chopped" a huge wild chestnut for the home and nicely "sawed" it so in two or three years it will nicely warm the ass. I'm a bit broken from it, you did whole day work, and tomorrow I go to stretch on Menina planina. 
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| julius11. 01. 2014 21:22:38 |
primoza
The devil is always in the small details.
Markacists, diligent ants across PDs, but, once again but.
Paths maintained by markacists from small PDs, for a snack and praise, are perfectly maintained.
Paths that should be maintained by PD Ljubljana-Matica, or PD Železničar Ljubljana, or... are, mildly put, a disaster. Specifically:
all paths to Planina Krstenica (PD Železničar-Ljubljana), paths around Triglav, as for equipped paths, they are maintained by the technical commission at PZS, the others in care of PD Ljubljana-Matica are in a desperate state (Vogel-Komna, Planina za Skalo- Sedmera, Sedmera- Oslova škrbina .....)
Just like hiking paths, all other activities go from our membership money. It didn't matter to me from which account it goes, until I noticed that they neglected membership on this account, to not say cheated.
I hope we understand each other. If it's army, let it be army for all. Or! If it's for me, let it be for you too!!!
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| julius11. 01. 2014 21:52:32 |
Primoza, instead of writing more I suggest we meet by Unionček, or the goat and exchange our experiences, because for most readers the matter is completely incomprehensible and unconsidered.
Suggest a date, time and place on the Kamnik-Ljubljana route.
Tomorrow will be a nice day and there will be no time for smart talk on forums.
Best regards.
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| valerija11229. 06. 2014 20:21:09 |
And those of us who are already members, can we pay the fee at Petrol and get the sticker? Thanks for the answer and best regards.
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| viharnik29. 06. 2014 21:56:33 |
Austrian annual sticker would be better, since with our PZS card they just laugh at you in the Alps -  .
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| miri29. 06. 2014 22:01:05 |
Why, viharnik?
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| viharnik29. 06. 2014 22:03:15 |
Because there is no reciprocity in any hut, not from mountain sections, even less private ones, you pay double price! Regarding insurance in case of accident abroad, with Austrian card you get through much better.
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