Memorials to deceased mountaineers
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| heinz16. 06. 2014 22:57:31 |
I'm opening this topic because I think that memorials to deceased mountaineers might interest us more than many others that supposedly have little in common with the basic activity and purposes of the portal's visitors..
I suggest providing a comment on the cause of the accident along with the photo (if known)
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| velkavrh17. 06. 2014 04:18:39 |
OK, Heinz. On my mountain paths I see almost on every tour, on some tours even more such otherwise sad memories and I photograph them. I'll check where what is. Otherwise I'll post as I encounter them.
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| miri17. 06. 2014 08:12:51 |
My opinion is that this topic won't gain approval. Leave them in their silence.
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| Zebdi17. 06. 2014 09:01:26 |
If anyone is interested in this kind of topic, I recommend the book Spomin in opomin gora 
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| valerija11217. 06. 2014 14:02:55 |
I support Miri's opinion! Let us stand by these memorials in silence, let them rest in peace there. I don't know if photos and comments belong in this forum. Probably among those who like to read it, there are also their relatives. Let's not reopen poorly healed wounds. And good luck to all forumers on mountain paths.
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| heinz17. 06. 2014 15:59:19 |
Personally I think these memorials unlike political and religious ones are more important for forumers.. If we can remember fallen soldiers for example, why shouldn't we be allowed mountaineers? Such a memorial in nature is on display for everyone or the whole world.
If someone doesn't want to write or read a comment about the cause, they can of course refrain.
Another question: why did the topics Gorska obeležja NOB and church memorials get so much approval? Isn't this about remembering the deceased?
Just like the book Spomin in opomin gora, there are also mountaineering guidebooks (books). Are descriptions of mountain paths on this website therefore superfluous?
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| strelec195417. 06. 2014 17:06:32 |
heinz, I agree with your opinion definitely more appropriate than other memorial plaques, which I think are not suitable in the mountains.
Sometimes I even get the feeling that some are even looking for "spice" when posting signs with their comments.
I think that with NOB memorials on hribi.net politics is being imposed, which is not the point of this forum, on the contrary it should unite people of all ideological affiliations.
That's just my opinion.
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| smatjaz17. 06. 2014 18:35:02 |
heinz and strelec, with posts and photos here we will more deal with memory of the painful unfortunate event, than of the person most didn't even know, so how can I revive memory of someone I didn't even know? Believe me I have photos of all memorials of unfortunate events that I encountered on my travels, but it doesn't occur to me to publish them. Leave to those who knew them the memory of the person not the unfortunate event, and I didn't mean anything bad by that and I join those who think - leave them in silence, they found their last home in the most beautiful areas, leave them silence. Yes that with NOB memorials is a completely different story that I don't intend to heat up here and in this case it's really about events and not so much persons, although often also. Their appropriateness I leave to everyone's judgment, but in the end they are part of our history, whatever it was, it was! 
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| heinz18. 06. 2014 18:39:48 |
"in this case it's really about events and not so much persons, although often also.although often also. (hard to understand judgment)
"Their appropriateness I leave to everyone's judgment, but in the end they are part of our history"? How so "you leave it to our judgment"? Don't you leave everything to our judgment smatjaz?
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| heinz18. 06. 2014 18:59:59 |
Reminder on the path to Seča alpine pasture.
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| heinz20. 06. 2014 12:30:41 |
http://www.gore-ljudje.net/informacije/107947/
In some places, reports on mountain accidents are not taboo like here..
If we shouldn't talk and write about accidents and causes, doesn't it seem like those unfortunates (who we might be tomorrow or even today) lost their lives in vain?! - Aren't we allowed to learn anything from their cases?
What bothers you dear fellow hikers, that some consider it impious to discuss how e.g. someone lost balance while taking a photo or relieving themselves and fell to death, or someone got crampon stuck in pants and fatally fell, or avalanche buried someone because they chose ascent in dangerous conditions or wrong direction, etc??
Would you, if it happened to you and you had the power, simply discourage or even prohibit talking about your negative experience regardless of the fact that the same can happen to another fellow mountaineer? Why? Because it's shameful to lose life in mountains? Because it's such an intimate thing that nobody cares?
Because relatives would be hurt, some say.. Isn't it on the other hand very true that their painful wound from the loss, if a third person can avoid similar accident from it, gets a big bandage this way, as it makes the sufferer feel it didn't happen in vain?
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| viharnik20. 06. 2014 19:41:34 |
Forcing into high mountains now without winter gear is like playing Russian roulette. Some mountaineers when crossing even short snowfields don't use crampons and ice axe (they think it'll be fine) and thus unnecessarily gamble with their own lives. Every slip now is very dangerous because at the end rocks and scree await, in worst case a precipice.
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| velkavrh22. 06. 2014 10:43:36 |
Bitter and sad memories that deeply touch us on our mountain paths. I won't say where they are.
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| heinz23. 06. 2014 09:54:51 |
Since the so-called likes on photos and comments in this section are confusing, for better understanding I'd ask the administrator to remove/disable them if possible. Thanks!
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| dprapr23. 06. 2014 11:49:18 |
So we must like the topic you started?
Without exception?
Primož's suggestion is more appropriate than publicly posting tragic events.
This book is also worth reading: http://www.pzs.si/izdelek.php?pid=143
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| GregorC23. 06. 2014 13:25:25 |
I also think such topics don't belong on hribi.net forum, like NOB memorials and similar.
The mentioned memorials were put up by relatives and friends of the deceased and I doubt they're thrilled that anyone can post them on forums.
You see the memorial on the path, bow to it, reflect and realize that danger and accident can strike anywhere. Taking pictures and posting on internet forum is completely senseless, and I think moderator should lock such topics or delete them.
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| heinz23. 06. 2014 15:08:14 |
Some of you talk about internet forum as something improper.
Maybe some unfortunately don't know that tragic events are also published on Slovenian mountaineering site Gore/ljudje and countless foreign sites likewise.
There, at the request of moderators who don't want to read it, admins don't lock or delete such topics. Why? Because they consider the content very much concerns the mountaineering public.
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| sirt123. 06. 2014 16:34:57 |
hainz
As far as I know, placing plaques in mountains is not (anymore) allowed. It was also heard that they would slowly be transporting plaques to the valley.
Publishing tragic events is customary everywhere, but placing memorials and publishing them is not. Remember recent police officers' accident. Do you think it's smart to put a monument at the accident site, and then photographers post photos for years just for their own satisfaction?
All deceased in mountains
May they Rest in Peace
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| heinz23. 06. 2014 20:54:11 |
Misunderstanding dear friends!
Maybe some here really post their photos "for own satisfaction" as sirt claims.. That's of course wrong. That's actually sad!
However, the purpose of this topic is solely Remembrance and Warning! Nothing else! Let us learn from these cases! Let us avoid similar.. Nothing else dear friends!
Whoever understood differently, unfortunately understood their own way, or by their standards. Wrong!
And on the other side: If (some) here like to remember partisans and Catholic symbols, it would maybe (or probably) be even more right to at least sometimes remember fellow mountaineers too. After all we are on a mountaineering - hiking portal, right?
I myself didn't criticize and didn't participate in both mentioned topics with my comments, because I simply can't agree with such posts on a mountaineering portal. But since we Slovenes are what we are, I think, ok. Let them post and comment as much as they want. Let those who are interested read it, since we live in a democratic society, don't we?
So you too, dear opponents of the title topic, can like me in case of certain topics look at the page and read only what interests or attracts you.
All those resting due to accident in mountains surely rest in great peace, much greater than we living ones live among ourselves. That we might learn something useful from their experiences surely does NOT disturb them. Any fear of occult is unnecessary!
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| miri23. 06. 2014 21:09:23 |
@Heinz, that's not correct. Check out pages 1 and 2 about partisan monuments.
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| heinz24. 06. 2014 00:33:12 |
miri thanks for the correction! obviously back then I already intended to emphasize that politics shouldn't concern mountaineers much. Of course unsuccessfully.
Today many aware people already know well that a huge number of these things don't match historical facts. Many memorials were created decades after WWII, with certain, known intentions. Does it belong to the nation's mountaineering past? Some agree, others - no.
Still, without special reservations, almost 10 pages of these photos have accumulated.. .
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