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mukica23. 10. 2010 07:38:12
For the good of all of us it would be nice if...smile
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panda23. 10. 2010 08:15:27
matta: you have wonderful proposals, why didn't you run for PZS president? I believe you would have much more support than the current president. confused
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IgorZlodej25. 10. 2010 17:31:48
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šerpa25. 10. 2010 18:35:31
Interesting is the last sentence in the second paragraph:

"In cases where rescue was needed for other reasons not of a medical nature (e.g. uninjured individuals), the costs of the rescue intervention are borne by the state budget."

So far Bojan A is entitled to free rescuesmile

However, if the endangerment was intentional or due to gross negligence, as they say in the third paragraph, they will of course issue an invoice for the rescue. About whether the conditions of intent or gross negligence are met, the Administration for Protection and Rescue decides of course itself.

And according to their decision, in his case it's intentional endangerment or gross negligence and Bojan A is the payer of the billgrimace

He still has some legal remedy against their decision and a grueling fight with our judicial system available.

I would definitely appeal this bill, because from Bojan A's described story, the circumstances indicating "gross negligence" are not apparent, let alone intent.

Slip after slip....


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viharnik25. 10. 2010 18:58:43
Šerpa, read the article a bit more carefully. It says namely that also in case of underestimating physical abilities and skills on the terrain-mountains and inappropriate equipment for a certain undertaking, the mountaineer covers the costs himself.
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Fazo25. 10. 2010 19:01:25
Next time just think before you call and play hypochondriac whose stomach hurts or who was hit by crazy strong migraine in the middle of climbing...rolling eyes
Otherwise you can get really drunk, twist your ankle and go down for free...confused
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šerpa25. 10. 2010 20:11:20
"viharnik" - overestimating physical abilities and skills and also inappropriate equipment falls according to them into the category of "gross negligence", I just say that in this concrete case it does not amount to gross negligence.

Gross negligence (Latin: culpa lata) is defined e.g. by the higher court in judgment No. Pdp 1014/2004 as follows: "Gross negligence is extreme carelessness and means neglecting
that care and attention expected from an average person."

or in judgment No. Pdp 998/2004: "The definition of 'gross negligence' is not defined in the law, but case law has formed the position that it is gross negligence when a person does not act even with the care of an ordinary person."

I hope you understand what I mean - not everything in a row is gross negligence.


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viharnik25. 10. 2010 20:49:19
Well explained, but I wonder who that "average" person-mountaineer-climber is who would be like a "sample" for further studies of such judgment of possible human error in the mountains?
For me, such an error, besides overestimating the climber's abilities (physical, technical), among other things also means inadequate equipment, lack of terrain knowledge, as well as underestimating weather conditions, and we won't even discuss alcohol. There is no basic discipline in our mountains at least, that's why eastern nations come to us en masse, who "safely" stroll on our peaks with the conviction that in case of an accident our GRS will undoubtedly take care.
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šerpa25. 10. 2010 21:25:26
Yes, maybe that's true, but then every accident is a consequence of "gross negligence" and according to URSZR's interpretation, every rescuee should cover the rescue costs.

But I'm not advocating negligence and carelessness, I just mean that this area is definitely poorly regulated - as we've been noting on this forum for quite some time.
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serajko26. 10. 2010 10:14:39
I think that the law and judicial practice can differ greatly.
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atoamac26. 10. 2010 13:02:32
Viharnik, which eastern nations do you have in mind? Japanese, Chinese, Indians? Nepalese? This year on 38 hikes I haven't met a single representative of eastern nations who supposedly "en masse" come to us, if I subtract one Czech on Debelem vrh. But Czechia is definitely in the north, so that won't be it...
I mean, even just here there are so many non-mass popular hikes that you won't walk them all in a lifetime, where you meet almost no one, where no mass eastern nations threaten you, only your own ego and own mistakes.
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viharnik26. 10. 2010 18:18:00
Atoamac, I think you could know how Europe is divided into eastern and western bloc. No one mentioned the Middle East or even Central Asia like India, Nepal. Some on this forum with such and similar statements, repeating texts of someone who says something, remind me worse than first-graders. Come on, wake up a bit, and more walking in the mountains wouldn't hurt you either in the end. One-day flies are only those who are on the forum just to give silly and utterly useless information, which true mountain lovers who really go to the mountains might read sometime and get well informed and prepare for the trip.
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sherpa26. 10. 2010 18:28:25
Well, viharnik has already had quite a few posts that don't belong on this forum or mountain lovers couldn't help themselves with them at all. eek
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JusAvgustin26. 10. 2010 18:54:28
but he is "dedicated" mežikanjenasmehjezik
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Santi26. 10. 2010 19:40:02
Maybe he meant the Dalai Lama, he always walks around in sandals and robe...jezikmežikanje
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viharnik26. 10. 2010 20:13:29
Something similar really happens in our mountains in summer. As for dedication, the geologist has quite a good natural sense. Dedication itself is a short period when the disciple of Sadaka follows the inner path, the path of the truth of the spirit. To distinguish and distance oneself with this pure spirit from the spirit of ordinary living people requires prior growth-meditation (dealing with oneself; martial arts, Tai chi, chi gong, Yoga of God). Only when the inner energy awakens and we feel its positives, just feelings, peacefulness, calmness, balance, solidarity, heartiness, connection with creation-nature, people and respect for all living things, special perception of unity through the present, differentiation, opens the path to new dimensions of the Samadhi state, the final evolutionary state of human consciousness. The path is long and is already connected with previous life qualities. With the appearance of Sahaja Yoga in this chaotic time for spiritual growth, the path of realization or spiritual rebirth is brought closer to us, I could say at the speed of light, whereas without the help of this Yoga the path is only one long, impartial, full of trials, renunciations, order, virtues for the one walking this high path. Every effort is always rewarded, as are good deeds.
To conclude, 5000 years ago, when as the brilliant last incarnation of Lord Buddha himself, he achieved enlightenment in three weeks of meditation under the fig tree and then left his beloved family and withdrew into solitude, achieved realization (raising Kundalini primary force of God-energy of the beginning of the creation of the Cosmos-sacrum human). According to his already built spiritual state of consciousness from previous lives, this was not difficult for him. Later 3500 followers followed him in hope of spiritual awakening, but according to scriptures after Buddha only two monks achieved this same state. The Dalai Lama, despite his pleasant appearance, truthfulness, perhaps learned wisdoms, has not yet received realization that happens in Sahaja Yoga. The path is long, the choice is only God's, and the individual's pure and sincere desire for own fulfillment. Lpmežikanjenasmeh
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kaveljc26. 10. 2010 20:27:07
Viharnik! Thanks for the apt and useful information with which I can prepare well for the trip... but I only believe in what the old wise men once said, that every person has his guardian angel! You are protected by a whole flock and you can really be happy, but one is enough for me and therefore I don't need your faith so you can keep it intimately for yourself and your environment that belongs to it. Us "godless" who don't understand this best please leave us in peace, because this really has nothing to do with mountains
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viharnik26. 10. 2010 21:43:38
kaveljc, you know a blind man has never seen or a person holding a snake by the tail in the dark doesn't know about it. When day breaks-realization he sees everything in the light of his own spirit, also the snake in his hand.
Nowhere is it written, much less offered above, that you follow my path. It's just a humble hint to my brothers and sisters of this world, that among us is the primordial mother Sri Mataji Nirmala Devi, mother of Jesus himself and others. With her vibrations the entire cosmos was created, divinities and we much later and nature and animals, indirectly with working records in God's information of primordial atoms-pranava-vibrations. She has oversight over all souls, living and dead of this world and other dimensions, which are also unknown to higher Sahaja yogis.
None of you is godless, you have everything I have, only pure unconditional desires I can't give you for this path. This desire ripens in us, simultaneously awakens Kundalini in us and soon when the disciple is ready, leads us forward. Mother told some hippies who visited her once disrespectfully with ego, without taking off shoes, that if a child despite brought food doesn't want to eat (ego), then no one can help him.
Kaveljc once again I will repeat, that our yoga also plays a very important role in mountains, as the divinity Sri Katjajani (daughter of Himalayas), Sri Ganesha is creator of mountains and they are holy places of numerous temples in the east. About this testifies the world of mountains Mt. Meru or Kailash 6555m, where the highest divinity Sri Shiva is supposed to reside, and the mountain is protected by government from tourist visits.
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sherpa26. 10. 2010 22:02:15
I will just paste copy/paste of my previous post and add only: AMEN! mežikanje

"Well, viharnik has already had quite a few posts that don't belong on this forum or mountain lovers couldn't help anything with them."
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kaveljc26. 10. 2010 22:43:35
viharnik... if I think well I'd rather be blind than blinded!
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