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Replacing electrolytes (in powder)?

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Swiss15. 07. 2012 09:51:46
Hello!

I'm curious, what electrolytes in powder to use for rehydration and where do you buy them?
Best regards and good luck in the mountains!
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Janez Seliškar15. 07. 2012 10:02:05
Without chemistry I can't live in the mountains! Don't overdo your activities, then such improper thoughts won't fly around you.

Mountains are not a racetrack, but pleasure!

After the tour a beer or two really hits the spot!
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GregorC15. 07. 2012 10:12:01
I mostly have Isostar or Cedevita. But I dilute both much more than the instructions say. If the tour is longer, then I also dissolve a magnesium tablet in the water.
And beer or radler after the tourvelik nasmeh.
Regards
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Keko15. 07. 2012 10:15:38
For normal hiking in the mountains I don't need any chemicals and I'm still fast enough on the trail. In the morning I eat a banana, on the trail an energy bar or two, drink enough water and I'm good for the whole day. When you're forced to reach for chemical additives, it's already unnecessary forcing that doesn't benefit the body anymore but mainly harms it.
The supplements mentioned by GregorC are completely sufficient.
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tol15. 07. 2012 10:42:34
velik nasmeh

The word "chemistry", "chemicals"... HORRIBLE, right? velik nasmeh

For example: Chemical or Chemicals (pl. nom.) is a common name for chemical compounds, substances, elements, mixtures and preparations.

Beer is obtained through chemical reactions. So God forbid we drink beer. velik nasmeh


Quite seriously: People are different and some sweat more than others or have some health deficiencies or problems. With us/some we lose more electrolytes through sweat than others. So we have to consume more of these horrible electrolytes during the effort itself, in this case hill climbing, which are - sodium
- potassium
- calcium
- magnesium
- chloride
- bicarbonate
- phosphate
- sulfate

Some older ones swear by raspberry drink with added salt.
But there are bitter powders you can buy in stores. Various isosports, isostar,...

I would recommend some Basico (surely available in pharmacy) or Iso drink from DM.

There are tons of these products...
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ljubitelj gora15. 07. 2012 10:43:39
Just water for that day when I'm in the hills won't harm me, if something drops to minimum, lately I also carry raisins, i.e. OH is about 70g/100g + Frutabele, those from Fructal.
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bizmbazm15. 07. 2012 18:22:43
I swear by some chocolate bar, Frutabela and water. In the valley or in the hut before sleep then some beer. That's it.
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mailman15. 07. 2012 18:27:55
Grancereale cookies, and Frutabelce, and half liter of Cedevita plus plenty of water...after the tour cold UNION!!!jezik
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bostjanp15. 07. 2012 20:12:30
In the backpack a bladder with 2l Isostar, mixed with half smaller dose than recommended. Next another scoop for one bladder, if liquid runs out by chance. For eating some energy bars, fruit, sandwich, pepper, raisins and old good Dextro Energen candies. After the tour mandatory beer for replacing lost substances, because they strongly recommend it and a strong hot meal. Tested hydration and nutrition that keeps you strong and prepares for next day new effort. Chemistry up or down, if I looked at it that way, I'd be hungry in the hills, water anyway flows from almost every rock; where today isn't something chemically processed. Lots need to drink, that's most important. Worse to be thirsty than hungry. Believe me.
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Swiss16. 07. 2012 07:49:34
Hello!
Thanks to all for the expert advice. All in turn will help me decide what to take with me. See you!
Best regards and good luck in the mountains!
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mailman16. 07. 2012 16:11:56
Swiss, you're right to ask that, or rather to be interested in it at all, namely, hiking is recreation anyway and during recreation it's essential to replenish lost salts in the body!!! I've read a lot of articles on this from a renowned sports doctor, I strictly follow them in cycling and hiking, of course, to endure everything just with water, but consequences come later, in later years! The body would hold everything for a while, then fail. Best regards
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Keko24. 07. 2012 14:44:51
For consideration to those who swear by various sports drinks.
The article is taken from 24ur portal.

Scientists: With the lie that you need to drink sports drinks, they earned two billion, and you get fat

London, 24.07.2012, 12:37 | N.Š.

For years even recreational athletes have been told to drink before feeling thirsty, best sports drinks made specifically for athletes. Scientists have now debunked these claims. They claim these drinks are actually harmful.

Scientists claim that for occasionally active recreational athletes it's enough to rely on thirst and drink water.

British Medical Journal (BMJ) published a study that scrutinized the beneficial effects of sports drinks. Their advertising has indeed increased strongly ahead of the Olympics, which will encourage many to physical activity.

Researchers scrutinized both the claims of the sports drinks industry about good effects on strength and body regeneration and the money flow between this industry and scientists who have promoted drinking such drinks in recent years. They found that the problem of body dehydration was exaggerated and that it was more a marketing move than promotion of scientific discoveries.

Spreading false fear

Appendix editor Deborah Cohen wrote that the BMJ investigation showed that companies producing sports drinks financed the scientists themselves, who then spread fear of dehydration. "The American Institute for Sports Medicine received a donation of $250,000 in 1992 from Gatorade producer. Four years later they started promoting the theory that body dehydration must be zero percent, and advised athletes to drink all the time."

Gatorade of course soon offered an excellent solution in advertising campaign – with drinking their drink body hydration will always be sufficient.

Promises bigger than actual effectiveness

In one BMJ study at Oxford University they checked 431 advertising promises about 104 sports products, including sports drinks.
For more than half of the claims they found no confirmations with tests. GlaxoSmithKline was the only company willing to provide studies on which they proved effectiveness of their sports drinks, but it was found that there were several errors in the methodology.

The study conclusion was that 85 percent of studies on which advertising messages are supposedly based exaggerate confirmations of excellent effects of the tested product, that tests are often unreliable, especially because they are financed by the producer, results match their wishes, whether there is scientific basis or not.

Body has no idea

During New York Marathon in 1970 runners were according to Cohen advised not to drink much so they wouldn't be too slow. In a few years the sports drinks industry managed to breed a completely different myth. The greatest success of Gatorade's sports institute is surely convincing people that the feeling of thirst – the body's homeostatic mechanism for detecting and responding to dehydration – actually doesn't work well. And on that basis the sports drinks industry in the US alone built an industry worth more than two billion dollars.

Although producers promise that those drinking sports drinks will be more successful in runs and marathons, the BMJ study found that those who drink during running only when thirsty and don't drink sports drinks are not slower at all.

"The idea that the body signals thirst too late is a plain marketing trick of the sports drinks industry," says Tim Noakes, co-author of the BMJ study.

Sports drinks are not for children, plus they make you fat

BMJ also investigated the impact of sports drinks on children's health. The industry directs advertising also to children and parents with warnings that children simply forget to drink during activity, so it's important parents equip them with their drinks.
Since these high-calorie drinks are advertised as part of exercise, i.e. something healthy, parents and children then see them as indispensable part of healthy lifestyle and excellent substitute for classic sweet drinks.

The American Academy of Pediatrics has already warned some time ago that the best fluid for sports-active children is water. Sports drinks contain huge amount of sugar contributing to obesity and tooth decay.

Experts say a child could drink 2.5 dl of sports drink only after intense exercise and sweating lasting at least 90 minutes.
More and more people resort to sports drinks who think they "lack energy", but experts warn that those who sit most of the day but still drink these drinks will just pile on kilos, since half liter of sports drink usually contains around 150 calories, plus some of these drinks contain ingredients linked to heart diseases and behavioral disorders. Sports drinks should thus be suitable only for athletes who need extra calories, sugars and salts, which regular gym goers and recreational athletes with proper diet don't lack.
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Keko24. 07. 2012 15:39:43
I've mainly come to the conclusion that if a person has no fitness, sports drinks don't help, because they don't give fitness, as some mistakenly think. They can harm you more, because they additionally burden the heart. But if you have enough fitness then for normal recreational hiking normal varied diet and clean plain water suffice, at least for me. Calories and necessary minerals you get from normal food, fluid from drinking water. But if sports activity exceeds recreational limit, then probably some additional intakes of certain substances into the body are needed, but then we're no longer talking about amateurism and recreational activity, but already about excessive sports, which overall no longer brings positive effects to the body and starts to harm the organism more than benefit it in the long run. The organism is depleted too much and too often.
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jax24. 07. 2012 16:14:47
No, if some credible scientific institution has actually managed to show that constant hydration is a myth, I definitely agree with that based on my own experiences. Key to hiking is RHYTHM, and we certainly can't keep it if we're constantly sipping at the same time. And of course key: if occasional hydration (say once an hour) is something so harmful and deadly dangerous, then I really don't get how humanity survived so far. This is something that was done always and everywhere through history, and now we come to it being the most harmful thing. And yet we're all alive. Nonsense.
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bostjanp24. 07. 2012 16:42:49
Soon scientists and "know-it-alls of the human body" will say that tap water isn't healthy for hydration either and buy that water from the store. Hey, I've been drinking Isostar for sure 15 years, and I haven't gained even 2 kilos from it. Metabolism works for me, brain too, and I just shrug off opinions of these "so-called" scientists called by I-don't-know-who. When I'm thirsty I drink what my body tells me to drink. Ice-cold beer after effort tastes great nasmeh ;someone correct me if it's not true. Also, around food, you need to look a bit at what was before and after the tour, and also listen to body and cravings, so when homemade sausage and juicy steak smell, just eat them and ignore calories. Body needs them anyway and that's the essence. Body tells you what's missing and what to replace the loss with. Just need to listen, and it'll be fine. Seems to me that scientist who's so smart wouldn't drink half a liter of Isostar if you offer it when he's super thirsty zmeden I think he'd just freak out nasmeh
So... drink and eat what you like, that'll surely be best for your body.
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mailman24. 07. 2012 16:59:51
Exactly like that, bostjanp!!! Nothing to add!!!
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urbancek24. 07. 2012 17:46:07
I agree too... Whoever knows anything about human body function would know the important role of electrolytes during exercise. Electrolytes, minerals and more need to be replaced, but you don't find that in water...zavijanje z očmi
Well, when it "hits" you once on the bike or elsewhere, you'll know what this "chemistry" is for.mežikanje
Water is enough for low intensity exercise, which I assume water advocates had in mind... Or you're all superhumans, dunno...zmeden

P.S: Of course one should get all that from normal healthy diet, but ask yourselves how we eat nowadays, in 2012? Do we really intake everything needed regularly? And these supplements are for the deficiencies we suffer from regular diet...cool
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Keko24. 07. 2012 18:16:47
I also cycle and mostly go almost full power for 1.5 to 3 hours at an average heart rate around 160, at 47 years old. I've tried sports drinks too and found they don't work for me. If I drink only water or drinks, the times on the same distance are approximately the same. If cycling more than 2 hours I take some chocolate with me. The only change with sports drinks is higher heart rate and weird taste in mouth that doesn't suit me. I've also bonked on the bike, but due to lack of fitness especially in spring on the hill towards home, which always waits at the end of the tour.
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jax24. 07. 2012 18:20:06
Yeah, yeah, but you're forgetting something ...

As for electrolytes, the body has plenty in store for a few hours' exercise. If longer, usually during it we not only drink but also eat. And what, no salt in salami sandwich or something? We get electrolytes from food.
And yes, hunger knock in hills I've experienced. But I think it wasn't from drinking non-isotonic drink, but too little food intake during tour. Since then I watch it more. Often by trying to eat at least a bite at every stop so not to go empty. I think we achieve more with that than with sports drinks.
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jprim24. 07. 2012 18:27:30
Yes, we really are different ...
I myself use up about three energy bars by 12, drink quite a mix, my husband can go almost without anything.zavijanje z očmi
LP!
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urbancek24. 07. 2012 19:17:21
If there was nothing to energy stuff big companies would have gone bust long ago... Because if you want something to sell LONG TERM, it has to be good or work...
But true as jprim says, we are different, very... Cheers!nasmeh
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