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Road to Konec

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rodica3. 07. 2020 18:35:48
Can anyone tell me what condition the road to Konec is in?
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grega_z_brega3. 07. 2020 20:52:12
Between 6 and 9 July, traffic will be obstructed due to road works in Konec, on Jermanca and towards the cable car.
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rodica4. 07. 2020 19:09:30
Thanks for the reply.
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bongo7. 04. 2021 14:16:27
What's different from how it was? The thing is from the beginning of 2020, it doesn't hurt to read what you're pasting.
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Trobec7. 04. 2021 16:11:17
It says...maintained with public money so some private folks can use it exclusively just for themselves.
But if they see someone there who doesn't fit with them...quick to call the police, because some plebeians are disturbing their peace.
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arta7. 04. 2021 16:52:53
As a visitor to Kamniška Bistrica and the mountains above it (for over 50 years), I'm glad that questions to the Kamnik Municipality are posed professionally and thoughtfully. From the municipality, as a public body, I expect answers forwarded within the legal timeframe professionally and responsibly.
The municipality should also explain if this isn't usurpation of public benefit at the expense of private.
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grega_z_brega7. 04. 2021 21:24:23
I suggest we send to the same KTUP a proposal for sign removal.
Justification that if all those of us who park early in Konec, on Jermanca and everywhere in between leave our cars in front of the house in Kamniška Bistrica, there will be no space left for other tourists.
And also that the road is maintained from public funds which only those few can use, that doesn't sit well with me... There are countless reasons...
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grega_z_brega7. 04. 2021 21:57:27
No... Petition is being prepared, you'll get it to sign.nasmeh
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parenzo8. 04. 2021 08:53:37
I drove to Jermanca already a good decade before independence and there was no talk of any problems.
From locals I later learned that since someone privatized that shack you pass by towards Kokrško, the problems started.
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Trobec10. 04. 2021 23:06:06
Today there was no sign. It was also heard (the latter unverified) that cops arrived and stared blankly at the empty štil. Anyway, the "greetings" were not left.
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lijaneja11. 04. 2021 09:07:05
nasmehnasmehnasmeh
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gj11. 04. 2021 13:40:05
Pink ponk, pink ponk, pink ponk. Good luck
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felix11. 04. 2021 14:46:43
I wouldn't mind if they had a parking meter in Kamniška Bistrica and then I could drive to Konec or Jermanca. Not this punishment. Probably those same ones at the Kamnik Municipality who pass such decisions have weekend houses on Velika Planina, where they drive right up to the weekend house. But they are the big shots, they can.
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Dr.ejči11. 04. 2021 19:10:50
Hmmm, partly such a plan was supposed to be... so parking meter in Kamniška Bistrica so cars can be parked in KB zavijanje z očmi...

But it's interesting, someone personally assured me the sign is legitimate... if you ask me, definitely, if the restriction is only in winter time, it should also be written on the supplementary sign.

And the next thing... like the "fellow sufferer" who posted his payment order, I was also fined under paragraph 6, article 65... true, hunting inspectors filmed me and reported it to the police, but still... only today I read that the fine for violation of par. 6 art. 65 is 40 and not 80 euros, as I paid... I think I'll visit PP Kamnik again? zavijanje z očmi
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mirank11. 04. 2021 19:17:13
Soon we'll need vignettes for entering certain areaszavijanje z očmi. Good thing we can go elsewhere toomežikanje
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gams111. 04. 2021 19:38:13
if the corona virus gets into the heads of "such hikers" who want to make order with signs, boards and fines... then it will bring consequences to many more mrk pogled, but we all suffer zavijanje z očmi
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j.11. 04. 2021 20:59:43
I googled a bit: almost the entire Kamniška Bistrica is one big parcel (cadastral municipality 1891 ŽUPANJE NJIVE, parcel number 873/174 Area 27,321,424 m2). As I quickly looked, the parcel extends into all the valleys and dead ends around there (Korošica, Kurja dolina, Konec, Jermanca, Bela,...), only here and there are individual "islands" that don't fit into it.

The parcel is owned by about 100 to 150 natural persons (land registry entry not yet completed, I assume it could be members of the Bourgeois Corporation, some agricultural community from Kamnik), two smaller shares are owned by RKC institution. The road is not excluded from the parcel (like the bed of Kamniška Bistrica), but the Municipality of Kamnik has a servitude entered on the parcel, also for transport with various vehicles. I'm not clear if this servitude applies generally to everyone or if someone can restrict it, e.g. with traffic signs. So it's private land.

Police generally shouldn't enforce on private land. If a neighbor parks in my driveway, police won't come to fine him, it's a matter of civil proceedings!! Therefore, police interventions deserve at least explanation. Also very unusual is the story with the sign that sometimes is there, sometimes not, because the municipality removed it.

Overall, it seems to me like some political PR tussle, on the backs of fined visitors who are just collateral damage or even forcibly engaged as media to motivate the public. Recently there was news of another attempt to establish Kamniške Alpe national park, which the Bourgeois Corporation opposes. They think they would have too little influence on their parcels. The scenario could of course be different...

Anyway, probably control over a huge estate that is also very valuable is at play.
Plot k.o. 1891 ŽUPANJE NJIVE, plot number 873/174, area 27.321.424m21
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Janez Seliškar12. 04. 2021 20:57:06
According to DNEVNIK TV Slovenija report, the Kamnik municipality has removed the controversial traffic sign.
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Trobec12. 04. 2021 23:03:40
Wow, it even reached the news nasmeh
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