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Aljoman1. 12. 2023 06:21:46

@miri, a space follows the comma. And a period at the end of the sentence.

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miri1. 12. 2023 07:14:21

And I teach others. nasmeh

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geofor1. 12. 2023 08:04:33

With such a wonderful description, someone remembers that one word or place name is "wrong". You overlooked that @bagi named all other places in Slovenian language, while quite logically using one name in Italian. Who do you think will post more if you pounce on him like rabid dogs?
And did you perhaps notice that there's a comment with every picture that explains a lot and also tells us why the picture is there. Not 57 or however many pictures without comments... .
Thanks bagi for the excellent contribution, I got a great tip for getting to know the border areas.

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ločanka1. 12. 2023 09:01:22

I take such a comment as well-meaning. bagi explained according to his belief and that's it. Anyway I don't think there's too little posting on this forum, but mainly too little commenting. If it's commented, that's a sign it was read and pictures viewed. Comments are very welcome nasmeh

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mosovnik1. 12. 2023 10:53:19

@bagi: "hats off" for all your descriptions of your paths.
@geofor: veeery well said !!!
Because of such "couch observers/commentators" probably many contributors don't post anything on this forum. jezen

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mukica1. 12. 2023 13:48:32

@bagi: congratulations to both for super hikes, presentations and descriptions...many discover beautiful places this way, get ideas and at the same time the desire to perhaps hike them ourselves someday.
I used to like describing my hikes and especially the conditions on those paths. Now just because of the "know-it-alls" I don't bother anymore, waste of time wink

and energy
tongue

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ločanka1. 12. 2023 13:53:40

mukica, what a shame! We enjoyed reading your posts smile

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Know-it-alls are everywhere you look anyway, I wouldn't give up because of them smile

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jprim1. 12. 2023 15:06:31

@geofor

dropped like rabid dogs
See, you didn't choose a patient context either. smile

LP!

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tulipan1. 12. 2023 15:40:29

Rain is still falling, also in Trieste, Gorizia and Cividale biggrin

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turbo1. 12. 2023 16:02:30

Allora, in Gorizia and Trieste it's currently dry, in Cividale there's no let-up biggrin

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turbo1. 12. 2023 16:04:33

Gorizia and Trieste dry, Cividale a little rain biggrin

bagi1. 12. 2023 16:47:48

Thanks everyone for interesting opinions, especially those who recognized the basic purpose of my posting smile

. This topic is gnawed to the bone and it's time for some new post. Proper Slovenian, or not biggrin

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bagi5. 12. 2023 14:17:45

Evening snowfall changed our plans for the next day and the Karst quickly appeared again as an alternative goal. As close to the sea as possible so it doesn't slip, so we cross the border to Italy again. This time we moved closer to Trieste and the aim was to hike the area between Križ and Opčine on still unknown paths. As the main goal we set Miramare Castle and Briška Cave, everything else the path will bring. And it did, as always smile

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We started on the Slovenian side, in Voglje. It's a small village and parking space is not plentiful. No problem, as there are probably not many visitors anyway. But Google doesn't deliver here elegantly via Italy and not Sežana, so beware all who don't know the traffic connections in these areas.

We were at the neighbors already after just over 100 meters. Soon we caught the marked path number 3, which we had followed for quite a while last time. Obviously intended for the border zone. Numerous turnoffs followed, where without prior route planning we wouldn't find our way. I call this homework, the goal is not to waste time unnecessarily and to set the framework we can hike. Usually works biggrin

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Here I should point out a very poorly visible section of the path that crosses the motorway before Briščiki. Officially these are the blue markings of the VertSPDT path, in reality hard to follow. GPS track is more than recommended here, the main target is the motorway viaduct, under which you reach a more trodden trail on the other side.

We saw everything that interested us. We liked Miramare Castle and its surroundings, but unfortunately we ran out of time for visiting Briška Cave. Also very interesting is the Marian sanctuary at Vejna, which in my opinion has gone beyond the bounds of good taste. More info on the route as always in the photos ...

Coordinates of the starting point (Voglje village): 45°43'46.0"N 13°48'29.3"E

We arrive in Voglje, a small village right on the state border.

We park at the only parking lot, big enough for three, maybe four cars.

After just over 100 m we are already at the border station, now more of a hangout for local youth.

This used to be a border crossing for the needs of the local population.

We are at an altitude of approximately 350 m and it snowed lightly here at night too.

One of the numerous crossroads. We started on number three, continuing on path 24.

Despite a different forecast, the weather is cloudy and windy, with cold pressing in.

Abundant rain has caused abundant puddles and we have trouble in many places.

Praise for the signage itself. The trail marks are refreshed almost everywhere.

But in many places we go completely on our own. In these cases our guiding star is GPS :)

We've come across the themed path *Poti podeželskega Krasa* who knows how many times.

Our motorcycles can't handle that speed, so we go full throttle ahead :)

Only road obstacles slow us down, especially those of the wetter kind :)

We also have some asphalt, but there is very little of it on the entire path

The central monument to the victims of politics in Gabrovca. Here we meet two more hiking souls :)

The abandoned road is just ours this time...

We climb up to the coastal ridge and cross the 274 m high Pavlji vrh

From it there is an excellent view of Miramare Castle and Grignano harbour next to it

We descend to the coast along an unmarked but well-trodden path

Lower down opens a view of the world's largest sailing yacht, the over 500 million € Sailing Yacht A

We two don't have that much money, so we go on foot :)

The descent path to Miramare Castle is somewhat dated in places

Special bilingual sign of the handwritten variety :)

Railway station. You can also cross the tracks, but it's still better to use the underpass

Soon we are at the start of a fairly large park with numerous tree species

We walk almost a kilometre through it before finally reaching the shore

First we go down to the harbour. There is the only open restaurant for miles around

A short tour of the tourist and fishing area follows, then we return to the park

Everything is nicely maintained, many walkers

Commercial buildings with associated nursery

Miramare Castle from the sea side. The Habsburgs built it

Immediately after the castle avenue the sign directs us left up the hill.

After numerous stairs we climb vigorously one floor higher. The stairs have no end or edge.

We continue towards Kontovelska mlaka, from there to the namesake village on the karst edge.

Kontovel has an old village core where the houses hold onto each other.

After viewing we leave the village and via Prošek climb back to the ridge to the Vedetta Italia viewpoint.

The view extends far around. On the cape is Miramare Castle, in the background Sailing Yacht A.

Path surprise, the megalomaniac Marian shrine on Veina. One could debate the builders' taste.

Officially … Tempio Nazionale a Maria Madre e Regina.

Megalomaniac also inside and this is only the smaller central part.

Slightly disappointed by the shrine's appearance we head onwards.

Follows the least visible part of the path towards Brščiki. Without GPS the crossing of the motorway would be quite demanding.

We cross it under the viaduct and find ourselves on a local road.

Here we have to slow down our pace a bit :)

Entrance to the world-famous Briška jama, according to Guinness the largest tourist cave hall in the world.

The Italian name is more appropriate … Grotta Gigante. Its dimensions are indeed truly gigantic.

After excellent coffee at the nearby Dom Bistro inn we continue towards Repna.

New VertSPDT path markings surprise. There are only about a kilometre of them, then only occasionally a faded one.

Rifugio Gatti (cat shelter) by the main road.

After numerous barely traceable paths we finally reach a more solid path :)

Santuario di Santa Maria Assunta, Marian shrine on Tabor hill next to Repen village.

View of the Slovenian side. Snowy Nanos in the background.

The sun bids farewell to the day, we to Italy. A little more and we'll be across the border.

Last sunny greetings in Voglje. Temperature in the car is only 2°C.

GPS track of the hiked path. Accumulated 31 km and 1000 elevation gain.

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turbo5. 12. 2023 15:55:06

Beautiful, again and again. Košuta didn't write the poem about the Karst for nothing smile

On the Karst it's wonderful –
never too early,
never too late:
everything is always at the right time,
on the Karst.

On the Karst it's wonderful –
never too quiet,
never too loud:
everyone is always of good repute,
on the Karst.

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turbo5. 12. 2023 17:43:36

Emil, Mateja,
when you're in those parts again, check out (if you haven't already, of course) the astronomical marker (not far from Vejna). You can hardly believe it, in the middle of that "bush", that the marker was once visible from the sea rolleyes

https://www.carsosegreto.it/2009/07/segnale-fisso-mira-monte-gurca.html

https://superchineadventures.com/2017/11/01/segnale-fisso-di-mira-cai-n-12/

https://www.triestemetro.eu/itinerari/punto/227/55

bagi6. 12. 2023 08:06:54

Thanks Bojan, for the idea and the verses. First time reading them and it's hard to present the Karst more beautifully nasmeh

bagi22. 12. 2023 10:11:31

This year we were on the Karst at the neighbors so many times that we could already learn Italian. We have that in plan, for now we've stuck to ordering coffee and whatever comes with it nasmeh

. Ideas for exploration still don't run out, nor do beautiful and unknown places. We're moving more and more towards Trieste, so that area is more densely populated. But even here paths can be found that are more like goat trails than anything else.

This time we started in the village Orlek near the Fernetiči border crossing. We also crossed it and climbed past it to the highest point of this trip, Veliki Medvejek. It's a viewpoint from which you can see far on both sides of the border. A descent followed past Opčine towards the sea, not necessarily in the optimal direction velik nasmeh

. More than that we wanted to see as much as possible and use the day.

We returned along the coast towards Trieste. So much decayed industry I haven't seen for a long time. Buildings are collapsing, countless railway tracks overgrown by trees. On one side interesting, on the other eerie. Anyway, at the tram line we turned upwards and panted up countless stairs across the karst edge. Then came the return to the start and drive home. We'll come again nasmeh

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Coordinates of the starting point (playground behind the village Orlek): 45.6898500N, 13.8396786E

We park by the sports ground a few hundred metres behind the village of Orlek

So there is no confusion and so you don't come to these parts for sports :)

Surprisingly, the asphalt continues quite a way ahead

Immediately across the border it ends and we follow the marked path

Crossing the Sežana - Opčine railway line

We're used to these signs, but the marks right at the border all have the number 3

Logistics centre at Fernetiči. Interestingly, right next to it is a campsite with tents, cabins and motorhomes

When we finally head up the hill, the first sun of the day greets us too :)

It climbs towards Veliki Medvejek. The path is a pleasant little trail among karst vegetation

Veliki Medvejek, also Monte Orsario, a full 472 m high peak. Not insignificant for these parts :)

From it there is a nice view of the Marian church on Repentabor

After descending the hill we continue towards Opčine

A good soul placed stones at the edge, which we use with great pleasure :)

The closer we get to the railway tracks, the more traces of migrants there are. All sorts of things can be found among the waste

Opčine, town centre. It's morning and we barely find an open café

Hmm, that's why some sections were so steep :)

Interestingly, the tram is still in use here. The line has been under renovation for some years though

Erected in honour of Austrian Emperor Francis I, who had the Opčine to Trieste connection built

Immediately behind the obelisk the road plunges steeply towards the sea

We don't go there directly, but first traverse right on a forest path towards Miramare

We hadn't reckoned on some parts of the path being so steep :)

Below is the village Barkovlje and there we will descend to the sea

View of the Marian sanctuary on Vejni, where we were recently

The descent to the sea is steep and proceeds along numerous stairs and narrow passages

The large and expensive Sailing Yacht A has been moved about a kilometre from its previous position

After viewing the harbour we head towards Trst. On the sea side there is a vast amount of derelict industry

Along the tram line we turn uphill in the direction of the starting point

It's not visible in the photo, but the track runs along a steep slope

To assist the tram central guides with a thick haulage cable have been added here

We are already in the upper storey. Numerous stairs brought us here

The continuation is more level. Past Trebč we continue towards Orleku

Observatory right before the border. Decades ago it surely had a different role :)

Conclusion of today's adventures. The playground stands deserted, our car too

GPS track of the hiked path. Altogether we hiked 29 km and 900 elevation gain

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turbo22. 12. 2023 21:26:22

bagi, Mateja,
you probably haven't seen this yet velik nasmeh

https://www.intrieste.com/2023/04/19/a-secret-laboratory-inside-an-abandoned-aqueduct-in-aurisina/

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bagi24. 12. 2023 07:14:38

No we haven't, these are more local secrets nasmeh

. There are enough everywhere, we just don't know them. When I e.g. researched the background of objects on Monte Nebria I discovered this near Ukev ... https://www.frontieraest.it/en/ugovizza-eng/

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VanSims15. 01. 2024 12:56:12

Bagi, thanks for the description. This weekend I walked the first of the paths.

First warnings:

1. The path from the viewpoint above Koglje to Koča Premuda has quite a mountainous character, is exposed and, due to scree, dangerous for slipping. Caution is not superfluous, especially for lower mountain hikers who are not used to high mountain paths.

2. GPS app (Orux for me), not only welcome, but mandatory. Without it I would have got lost back to Slovenia already at Botač or gone on the otherwise nice panoramic path directly to Premuda (also closed for me around eleven, still closed), but missed the viewpoint above Koglje, which is definitely worth visiting.

Not to mention the labyrinth of paths and trails from Hrvati to and across Bazovica, all the way to the monument to the Bazovica victims. Further to Kokoš there are blue-white 'knafelj' markings.

Part of the path from Hrvati to Nemogoča jama runs above the climbing area and Via ferrata Bruno Biondi (was there about 5 years ago)

Except in the morning when it was about 2 to 3 below zero (a year and a day after Bagi's visit nasmeh

), no special frost for me, no bora either. But in the morning, on the bike trail of the former line, it was already full of Italian cyclists even now. I rode this trail myself about 15 years ago (Kozina - Trieste - Opčine tram (still running then) - Orlek - Lipica - Bazovica - Kozina)

From the description of Nemogoča jama I learned that a commission was 'purposefully' established to explore it nasmeh

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