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| Žiga221. 12. 2009 10:34:46 |
Hello,
I have a question for some more experienced mountaineer;
regarding the use of ice axe, is its use sensible also in summer? Namely, I don't use hiking poles, in ascent on some steep sections and especially during descent and downhill the ice axe comes in quite handy for me (because it's shorter, stronger and for stopping in case of slip).
Quite often I get thick looks from other hikers like; why ice axe in summer?
What are your experiences and recommendations regarding this? Of course I also use ice axe on winter tours.
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| Santi1. 12. 2009 11:03:45 |
I also take ice axe with me in summer, if I go on some "trentarsko" tour, where steep grasses are not lacking. But the use of ice axe was once advised to me by a respectable mountain guide (won't name him), it has shown many times how right he was and I'm grateful to him for all the tips he gave me and there weren't few. Nice tours I wish you.
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| geppo1. 12. 2009 11:15:08 |
I sometimes have an ice hammer in my backpack too. When crossing compacted avalanche remains it can really come in handy. But I have to admit, most often it stays in the backpack (laziness!!)
but once on descent from Ojstrica (Kopinškova path) it came very handy. I would have had to turn back if I didn't have it in the backpack. With it I helped three hikers cross.
Best regards
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| Pavlin1. 12. 2009 11:27:34 |
Where can one buy them and also some other gear (harness and rope), because we have never seen an alpinism shop in all Slovenia?
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| geppo1. 12. 2009 11:40:56 |
Type into your browser what interests you and results will show up.
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| tol1. 12. 2009 14:41:14 |
Žiga22, I hope you're not the one I stared at blankly in mid-August on descent from Kokrško sedlo.
There was someone walking towards lower cable car station at Kokrško sedlo with ice axe in hand and I think there in midsummer you really have no business with ice axe in hand. It's only more dangerous at some stumble on stone and branches/roots.
Just don't see the need to carry ice axe on similar paths.
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| matic41. 12. 2009 15:09:40 |
On steep grasses it can come in handy, but don't rely too much on it. As for stopping with it, forget it - on steep terrain you won't stop with the ice axe (talking about grassy terrain, not snowfield).
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| rok861. 12. 2009 15:32:28 |
that's somehow like saying that crampons are also useful in summer!
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| šodrovec1. 12. 2009 16:29:48 |
It might really sound funny to some, but in "trentsko" steep grasses besides the ice axe crampons can also come in handy. Admittedly, the use is rare. The ice axe in such circumstances is not used for stopping after a slip, but mainly to prevent it - for more reliable support. Equally, the ice axe can come in handy also in really steep and wet pathless forest sections.
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| Žiga221. 12. 2009 22:49:31 |
@tol;
No, I wasn't in those parts then  .
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| JusAvgustin8. 12. 2009 13:38:07 |
does anyone sell ice tools cheaply (adze+hammer)? I'm interested mainly in raveltik ice tool Demon Super Cup...
Lp
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| ljubitelj gora21. 12. 2011 14:46:40 |
How do you carry ice axe during use, pick forward or adze, someone was taught in AO pick forward, army video shows adze forward. I carry it pick forward, because if I carry adze forward I stab myself at least 1-2-3x, and I also thought a bit in case of fall, that correct use would be adze forward.
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| tol21. 12. 2011 14:57:02 |
You stop with pick and not adze. Carry ice axe so pick points back.
Why? What position do you put ice axe in, when stopping? 
I think you're ripe for a course
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| JusAvgustin21. 12. 2011 15:04:19 |
I'm almost sure no one in AŠ teaches with the pick forward... are you too proud to attend a course or what? It's for your good, Matej, bullshit! And the other winter techniques you won't learn on YouTube either! Anyway, those videos, uhm, how to say, out of date!
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| viharnik21. 12. 2011 16:26:15 |
Yeah, L.G. says he trained on the winter course Ig. Z. Now I really understand him less and less. He showed nothing then either
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| ljubitelj gora21. 12. 2011 16:55:02 |
Then I'm right from the very beginning, obviously someone was taught wrong in the alpine school or they interpret ice axe use their own way.... it seemed strange to me too. Everyone does the course as they like, safety, such questions as the one above, most support and welcome them, I accidentally heard personally recently that such questions shouldn't be taboo on this portal at all and keep various add-ons to yourselves (like: you're ripe for a course, better stay home...)
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| viharnik21. 12. 2011 17:04:38 |
The way Jani showed the ice axe hold is absolutely correct. You need to know that every delayed moment even when stopping with the ice axe can be fatal, so the spike of the ice axe is always turned back, and with the other hand on a slip we just grab the shaft. Exceptionally the reverse position, if due to unstable soft southern snow instead of the spike for stopping we choose the more useful adze, which stops sooner on the snow.
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| IgorZlodej21. 12. 2011 18:14:19 |
LG is even right in a certain sense. In alpinism, where most talk is about verticals, the ice axe spike is of course mostly forward. Here either we hold the ice axe by the adze and place/stab the spike into hard snow, or hold the shaft of the ice axe and hammer the spike into snow or ice. In both cases the wrist loop is mandatory and must be tightly fastened on the wrist of the "strong hand". In hiking variants, which are mostly present among hikers and mountaineers, the ice axe is used with the spike turned back, the loop is also mandatory in this case and tightly fastened on the wrist of the "strong hand", the weaker hand always ready to grab the shaft. More about the ice axe here: http://sl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cepin
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