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| mukica16. 11. 2007 09:31:08 |
We at home always look at the map and booklet where the path, walking time, huts on the way are marked... So the length doesn't surprise you, you know if you pass a pasture where to get water, maybe even food if it's a longer tour and you like to eat in a hut...
I think it would be good for everyone if they knew what they're getting into and where they're going
Some read 2 hours on the sign then rest half an hour after the first bend, after the second also... and wonder at the inaccurate time written at the start It writes walking time of average hiker, somewhere more padded somewhere realistic..
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| Guest16. 11. 2007 10:58:56 |
I think it's clear that the average time is written and usually on my walking pace it's quite accurate. Still I think time should be written. On many paths it is written, it interests me why not everywhere, whether it depends on the marker, mountaineering society, hut keeper or we just save on sign size and paint amount. best regards, Vanja
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| Guest16. 11. 2007 11:14:40 |
Obviously most on this forum prepare for the trip, but we're not the majority of aesthetes and those bothered that times aren't marked on signs, otherwise I really don't know why it's so hard, but apparently it is. Obviously we won't change anything either because some are happy as it is. Personally, and I don't hike little, it's important to me that every now and then there's a sign where directions and also time are written, clearly. It's also about aesthetics. Some prefer everything natural, others like something nice too, even if not so natural. Because of the time that would be added to the sign, nature won't be less damaged. It's more damaged by trash that I also see on paths - read Laško beer. And I've carried them down to the valley. Still I think it's nice when after three hours you reach some sign and it affects me very well if I see how much and how much time to the goal. That's how it is. Tadeja
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| Guest16. 11. 2007 11:52:54 |
BRAVO TADEJA.
best regards, Vanja
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| Guest16. 11. 2007 11:55:12 |
But there are also those of us for whom time and goal in the mountains don't mean that much ...
That's right, people are different.
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| Guest16. 11. 2007 12:13:09 |
Well, when that one for whom time isn't so important gets stuck somewhere in the middle of the return path, especially now when it's dark at five, he might get lucky... Maybe then he'll still think about some time that was or wasn't written on some nice red sign on the way to the summit. Yeah, isn't it also important to reach the goal within some roughly set time? I think these times (where they are, of course) also account for all the time we spend on breaks, enjoying the beauty, photos... Anyway, best, Tadeja
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| mukica16. 11. 2007 12:46:26 |
Tadeja, I partly agree with you that it's nice if walking times are written, but it's not necessarily needed. Regarding breaks in the time written on the sign (if there is one), they are not included, because we need them differently
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| michael6616. 11. 2007 13:00:02 |
Thanks to all guys and girls in this discussion for info about Great Draški Peak. Although I've been to its summit several times (and all neighbors too) I still learned "a lot of useful data". LPP.
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| Guest22. 11. 2007 12:31:03 |
I have a question for experienced winter mountaineers;
what is the "formula" for recalculating the path length time according to winter conditions. Meaning if the path is freshly snowed and untracked. So I'm interested in the "factor" by which I could multiply the time on the sign. I know it's hard to answer exactly - but still an approximate answer.
thanks!
g.
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| Guest22. 11. 2007 12:41:45 |
It's really hard to answer, as it depends on many factors (slope, snow depth, hiker's condition, orientation in winter conditions...) Maybe I'd just try multiplying times by factor 2, then you might have something good... Anyway, any factor is a (too) bold tip and just a modest approximation. Good luck and be careful, as in these days above approx 2100 m a.s.l. quite some snow will fall! Of course, during snowfall or right after I advise against going, as the snow won't be settled yet!
Peace and joy..
B
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| Guest22. 11. 2007 12:48:39 |
In fresh snow, if 20 cm around 40%. This applies to the first one making the track, others around 15%.
Problem arises when crust forms on snow, then you can double or even triple the time.
Difference also in dry and wet snow. I suggest trying on Komna and Mrežce
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| Guest23. 11. 2007 00:13:36 |
First thanks to both for opinions and advice!
"multiply times by factor 2, then you might have something good..." I think exactly the same. Of course if hiking in a team everyone is first for some time and makes track - energy consumption...
Not really thinking about high mountains (because of team) but more trekking variants like area around Komna and Planina Blato to Planina Dedno polje or Pl.v Lazu. Maybe even connect the above in a two-day tour.
Interested how it is on mentioned pastures with bivouacs - some abandoned hut...? Possible to sleep? And also don't know if in "marked" bivouacs there's some stove?
g.
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| Guest23. 11. 2007 08:18:06 |
Stoves except in rare exceptions there are none. Some are very nicely arranged (Staničev dom, Kotovo sedlo...), but there are also those almost unusable (Vodnikov dom).
Don't forget to dress warmly
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| mukica27. 11. 2007 12:53:48 |
At koča 7j there's a good winter room - usable. Make a loop pl.Blato - Ovčarija - 7j - Komna... Paradise for ski tourers is also Komna - 7J - Hribarice - Velska dolina. Overnight at 7j or Prehodavcih
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| Guest27. 11. 2007 13:30:57 |
When I was there about a month ago the doors were broken - 2cm gaps all around the door frame. In winter that could be unpleasant.
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| Guest28. 11. 2007 07:26:21 |
does anyone know the current conditions on Tosc or Great Draški Peak, is there any snow
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| Guest28. 11. 2007 11:27:34 |
If you look at the camera from Kredarica you'll get the latest info. If that's not enough check the cameras from Vogel ski resort too.
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| Guest26. 01. 2008 19:07:59 |
Today Janez and I headed to Great Draški Peak. We started from Rudno polje around 7am. On the ascent we had some hard crust, but mostly breakable crust. To Jezerca bp., from there Janez put on skis but had to take them off because no skins. Snow for walking is bad as crust breaks through all the way to the top. With skins possible to reach top on skis. Descent over lower half of the roof very nice, and also down to Jezerca nice. In between some breaking through crust. After descent we climbed Ablanca too, which also has variable conditions. Otherwise sun and fantastic views all around. LP Janez and Andrej
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| viharnik9. 11. 2008 17:05:50 |
Looked at Kredarica camera-clear. No thinking, just quickly head to Rudno polje. There past the lifts, ahead to the second forest path left, stop. There unmarked approach to Kačji rob and joins path from Zlate vode. Path almost always traceable and runs gently left all the time. Clearly trodden. Higher up turns right, then left, seeking ideal path among fallen spruces. Path never changes direction, within 20m width. Only when we reach plateau, take it right across. Soon join path from Rudno polje (Zlate vode). Then Srenjski preval, crossing south slopes of M. Draški vrh, to pass, to peak. Down I turned from path into gully, on steep scree towards Studorski preval. In between found a cave not welcome to skiers (cca 2000m) under gully. Before Studor shortcut on scree to Jezerca. Then crossing Mišcovec to lifts. Up top last 100m windy (NW wind), temp below zero, snowflakes dance. Right in gully warm, no wind, and earned snack on dry grass. Nice day behind me, greetings!
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