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Private messages.



First.

The interface tells me I have a new private message (red-highlighted "Private messages"). When I open the PM list I see a red star next to one of them, but unfortunately I can't open it. I also can't access the history of that PM (that title) anymore. The system doesn't report anything; on an unsuccessful attempt to view the message it redirects me to the home page.



Second.

I write a somewhat longer PM and want to preview it before sending. The system reports "Server Error" "404 - File or directory not found. ... ". Such a message can still be sent anyway and the recipient can read it, but it would still be nice to have the preview option, as it applies to shorter PMs.



Third.

Not bugs, but shortcomings of the interface.

a) The last PM in the series of PMs under the same title can't be changed or corrected. I know you can otherwise delete the entire title (and all PMs - the whole debate - under it) but then you lose the history.

b) When someone replies to some PM after a longer time (under the same title) that title doesn't move chronologically to the first place and so you have to browse the list to find that message that red-colors "Private messages" for you (alerts you to the arrived message).



Does maybe someone know who I should turn to or who takes care of technical issues on hribi.net? Can something be done to fix the errors and perhaps also the "shortcomings"? Thanks!

You're right, Peter, it would really be good to check some old Austro-Hungarian (maybe even some "Laško") special map of that area? Also ask at the TNP Information Center in Log. A lot would be clearer then ...

On the map of that area (Trenta, 1:25000) I noticed something interesting, that as many as three peaks around (Ozebniška) Planja claim the adjective big (Vršovec, Konj, Glava), of the expected paired peaks with small I find only Vršovec on the map. Then I jumped to check Tuma's Nomenclature of JA. And look, he also mentions only both Vršovci, between them the gully Kloma (he writes Klama), which should be translation for sl. ozebnik, and that should thus also give name to the highest peak above its upper end - Zadnjiški Ozebnik. Tuma at the same place (under 9th group) mentions Konj (without big or small adjectives), but under its ridge also Konjske Police ...

I added the M&M reference only because I know Marko usually bothered in case of doubt to find out which peak is the "real" named peak. From first hand I know the famous M&M played with GPS on Lemež in 2002 (don't know if they had the device with them on V. Konj) and so the advantage of today's technology is indisputable!

Peter, somewhat more chance than meeting in mountains is meeting by the barrel, as Juš says. But hope for both remains, of course! Good luck!

I love this mountain with everything it offers itself and with its appendages (Veliki Konj, Veliki Vršovec, ...). From it I've often looked at the surrounding peaks and always gladly the other way around - observed it from all sides. If you look at Z. Ozebnik from Vodnikov vrh (Peter, you surely have some super photo from there!) and your gaze goes from the ZO summit to the left, a shape is revealed that could resemble a horse, better a horse's back ... Let me develop my thesis from this - anyway, when revealing the reasons for mountain names we'll stay only at theses, because it's unlikely that anyone could claim with complete reliability who, when and why named this rocky "horse" Veliki Konj. Just a thesis then!

About naming various Konjs and reasons for them, it always seems sensible to me to think in connection with the shape of the ridges belonging to the "horse mountains". Usually somewhere near the "head" (= main summit) you find a "back" and on/in it some "saddle" (or even two) and possibly also "mane" (= characteristic vegetation). Would Ozebnik's Veliki Konj fit this? To me it always seemed so!

Let me relativize the thesis at the end and add a pot, if this is Veliki Konj, where the devil is the little one hiding?

Ah, one more thing: Marijana and Marko (M&M) on their website claim, if memory serves, that both elevations of Veliki Konj are equally high and that the named summit is the last in the ridge.

I haven't caught that much snow there yet. Or I turned back because it seemed impassable. Excellent, sincere congratulations to all! Juš, right, this PP is such that it will never give you ... give you peace?! I'm glad!

Velebit, there is no stove in the bivouac next to the hut at the 7 lakes! Besides a good sleeping bag, a thick snow blanket that covers the building helps a bit, and inside a carefully used candle is useful too. It's cold there in winter days, but it's nice!

Right, Juš, up top and down there are nice passages. Klinchy, I don't have (yet) the name of your little summit, but I can tell you that you two crossed the ridge into the area of the Middle Cirque (on my photo no. 2 are, if I'm not mistaken, the boulders you passed by) and continued (each on their own) upwards towards the Upper Cirque and the summit Na pečeh ... That branch downwards towards the cirque Pod Špikom (or bivouac, as you write) you marked quite to the right (looking downwards), which I find interesting because it suggests to me that you probably took the less used variant along the right side of the passage (looking downwards) between Middle and Lower Cirque. In literature the left variant (looking downwards) through the gully is usually described or vice versa, if looking from Lower Cirque upwards that (more common) variant is on the right, your descent one on the left (emphasize: this time looking from Lower Cirque upwards) ... Anyway, now that you "know everything" you'll easily take it next time to MMP. Good luck!

Though I don't believe we'll find a name for any of the little peaks (maybe some dedicated local or hunter knows it) that make up the ridge between Za Akom and Kotli, perhaps we can at least approximately figure out where the "path" led klinchy and his buddy (over the ridge in several places we notice nice game trails and traces of "natives"). My assumption is they turned too early and too right in Za Aku (if they wanted to 3M?) maybe even somewhere in the "ski" crossing to 3M but that doesn't quite match the scree mention... Well let me add two pics. First (taken below MMP) with drawn arrow of possible approach from Za Akom suggests one (or even two) variants of ridge crossing. Second taken from other side of ridge might "contain" that little peak from klinchy's second pic?

It's been 14 years since I last went down there, so I really can't reliably claim how big they were then in the lower 30 height meters to my eyes. But I remember well that some before me and some after me already had similarly sized ones (II.). Good luck there and elsewhere, regardless of the painters!

Ambitious. Sla, congrats!

Rating of direct descent from Mišelj Konec (to Hribarice) down the gully to the left and in the lower part over a jump to scree under the wall is also in my opinion within crumbly II.

Hahaha, such (though very big ) marking doesn't bother even me too much ...

You have a good "nose" - congratulations!

Thanks, Maemi!
Actually, you spent little time on the "unnecessary" ascent to Mišeljski preval and traverse to below Koštrunovec, and it was definitely worth every step. The orientation overview towards Mišelj vrh and right to Koštrunovec, offered by the gentle slopes under Škednjovec is first-class and worth recommending to anyone willing to deviate a bit from the "shortest" path, especially if coming from Jezerca or Laza (this way avoiding descent to pasture Pod Mišelj vrhom).
Regarding descent, I was curious if you discovered some "new" scree in the central part of the ridge. Now I know you chose the "classic" descent/ascent route (your photo with markup will be useful to someone), but to me, the pampered one, that scree seems rough. But the little ridge from the top to the saddle (your photo) also seems just exposed enough in places to mention. Anyway, tastes and mountain feelings can be (daily) different, so your notes on ascent over Koštrunovec are only useful and not unnecessary at all.
At the end, let me do what I should have at the start: congrats on the nice tour!

Maemi, if I understand correctly you crossed Mišeljska dolina after traversing the valley under Škednjovec and continued the original variant under the wall around the foot of Mišeljski vrh to the scree under Koštrunovec, climbed to the meadow and continued on the often described passages to the top ... Quite interesting! By the way, approx when were you at the top with such a route? Where exactly did you leave the ridge on return - you mention "beautiful descent on scree"?

Bojan, that teasing with the word "all" was a joke! But you caught and commented on a famous landslide on one of your photos - so famous that a whole mountain is named after it.

Nice hike, combined with a bold statement: "... finally I can say I've hiked everything in this area." Congratulations!

Nice tour. In this heat it might pay to shorten the footpath by driving higher by car to Veliko rujno plateau from where there are two more or less marked access variants to Bojin kuk. Garmont, do you have a photo of the mentioned spot with the free-hanging rope on "Bablji put" - I can't remember it for the life of me?