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klm17. 01. 2021 19:05:49
The trampled path isn't a highway but a motorway, as one hiker must step into "ditch" when meeting to avoid closer contact. Of total 68 female/male hikers (56-68) and ski tourers (12-68) I met/overtook on whole tour (btw: lasted 2.26h with longer stop at Rzenik top 13 min), 14 wore mask or buff. Good stats!
klm3. 05. 2020 15:08:38
The Karavanke have quite a few Babs, among the nicest Dovška certainly belongs, at least regarding the view, if not already the approach.
With colleague S.Zarnik we started somewhat higher than the Kamne camp, first on the forest road then on the path directly to the panoramic peak. In chatting pace and endless photographing it took approx. 1.20h of walking, which isn't bad for two old farts. At the top we admired the view for a couple minutes among a host of other hikers (btw. Jalovec isn't visible from the top. Spik covers it. But Spik is NOT Jalovec, many hikers, esp. Sunday ones, confuse these two mountains, even singly. Today too one hiker at the top vehemently claimed to see Jalovec. But he was the only one in the crowd with the gift of such vision!).
In short: We descended via the wonderful panoramic path over sedlo Mlinca.
Most likely pointless to write that on return cold beer flowed in streams (or rather in a few mugs).
Altogether 14km with 1225 m+, for which we used a solid 2h.
klm20. 09. 2015 17:51:51
VanSims; Between Kadin and Lopič there actually is no ridge: from Lopič towards Kadin they follow like this: southeast ridge of Lopič with elevation 1848 m to Slips saddle - Slips saddle - Vogrsček (Jof di Ungarina,1806 m), from there over two peaks (in between grade I.) and over Jof di Confin (1761 m) to Javor (Golz, Monte Lavara (1906 m). This is separated from Kadin by Poljica saddle (Forca Campidello, 1461 m). But before Kadin there is Cima di Campo (1762 m), let's call it the forepeak of Kadin, although actually it isn't, because it's shifted just enough westwards to have "independent mass" status in the central ridge of Muzci. Bottom line: there is no II. anywhere here because you can ascend to Kadin without major difficulties via path Cai726.
More on this among others: Klemen Jansa, Western Julian Alps, paragraphs 149-161.
klm1. 06. 2015 17:20:48
On Saturday crossed the ridge and paths lengthwise and crosswise, and nowhere was there snow representing any obstacle.
klm1. 06. 2015 17:20:46
On Saturday crossed the ridge and paths lengthwise and crosswise, and nowhere was there snow representing any obstacle.
klm16. 05. 2015 18:28:29
Pikica1: I never wear long pants, I was descending running, stopped at the path junction leading to the nearby remains of a military object and got bitten in the Achilles tendon attachment area.
klm15. 05. 2015 10:59:54
High probability that the snake was young, as they release all the venom on bite, while adults usually don't. I had a similar bite myself about 2 years ago on one of the paths on the Italian side of Kanin massif. After the viper bite I impatiently waited for venom reaction but it didn't release it. Still the bite area hurt for several days.
klm4. 01. 2015 18:19:18
The geological structure indeed confirms this fact. But for many it's unbelievable and far-fetched. Especially because the name KAMNISKO-SAVINJSKE ALPE is a completely artificial coinage of recent date.
klm4. 11. 2014 21:19:04
Well, nothing other than a rough description will I give: in short, from the top of Kadina you descend through intermediate elevations along 740 to its last branch towards Sattel Stilizzi, where this path turns left down the gully, you continue on the grassy slope through next cols - two or three are easy, then follows steeper descent, the ridge narrows considerably and climbing and searching for passages begins. Rock jumps at first in II range, then difficulties ease a bit, on north side ledges even overgrown with dense dwarf pine patches, ridge especially south model exposed. Then climbing over rock blocks, rock is karstic and quite compact. And so on in crescendo to the climax when you have to climb to Vrh Muzcev. Retreat in thunderstorm practically none, because south slopes extremely exposed, north mostly too, besides overgrown with dwarf pines or sheer cut and karstic.
klm4. 11. 2014 14:28:38
Devet, if anyone can tell from your writing what you actually want...?!? The main Muzcev ridge from Vrh Muzcev to Lopiča is at least to Kadina (i.e. westernmost peak of the central group) III-degree climbing, with very difficult orientation and even if I provide a description, I don't know if you're up to it. To Lopiča from Kadina then you need to descend to saddle Poljica. If you stick to the ridge all the way, from that saddle you continue straight to Javor, from there over Jof di Confina and Vogrsčka (I-degree spots) to saddle Slips and further to Javor. Continuation along the ridge over Cima del Campo towards bivouac Coi is again I degree, with II spots.
klm4. 11. 2014 13:14:34
Error: the central ridge of Muzcev from Kadina to Zajavorja is an alpinistic feat: to the westernmost peak Kadina (1818 m) you can climb from the south (CAI 709, 740), west or north (741, 741/a). In the central part is Vrh Muzcev (1866 m), which is reached by path CAI 737. This path then continues another 500 m to the 1869 m point named Viliki rop (1869 m). It's a nice, slightly spiced tour. Between Kadina and the mentioned Vrh Muzcev, the ridge is exposed and cut with several III-degree spots.
Lopič (1958 m) is the highest peak of the Muzcev group, shifted furthest west, but compared to the central ridge I roughly described above, it's also quite independent. It connects via Slips saddle (1631 m) to Javor (Golz, 1906 m).
Klarman is not Klaraman, but Karman or Veliki Karman (1713 m). This is also the highest peak of the Veliki Karman ridge, which is actually a continuation of the (Breginjski) Stol ridge, but the Ter river has cut a deep valley between them. In short, along this ridge and not the Muzcev ridge runs the so-called "Alta Via CAI Gemona" or "high Humin path" and thus has no connection to Lopič.
My description is given in the following lines:

Starting point: Podbardo (Cesariis, 539 m)
WGS84: 46.2804°N, 13.2464°E
CAI 763, Alta Via CAI Gemona (High Humin path)
Elevation gain: 2000 m
Distance: 20 km
Very demanding marked path, I-degree climbing
Total 13 h
We tackle the tour only if well psychophysically prepared. Helmet use is recommended. No possibility of early retreat in case of sudden weather deterioration. Due to sun exposure, best recommended in autumn.
The grand tour is dedicated to the meritorious member of the CAI section from Humin, Luciano Gubiani, as indicated by the memorial plaque along the path. We do it more comfortably in two days, but if we decide to do it in one day, the prerequisite is above all very good condition. We need to take enough fluids, as there is no spring or intermediate exit on the path where we could end the tour early. The entire tour is marked with both Italian and round Knafelc markings, and on some peaks wooden stakes with red-white stripes are driven into the ground.
The most suitable starting point is Podbardo, where we descend at the end via path CAI 729. This makes the tour end more pleasant, saving another hour of uphill road walking that would await us if we started in higher Breg.
Wherever we start, in front of the last house in Breg there is a direction sign CAI 730, from which we go through several gullies along the Vedronza stream to Predol saddle as at Š-46. At the junction we turn right past the crucifix and up the steep meadow as at Š-55 through the secured Gospodična passage to Veliki Karman. From Breg to here we need 4 h, if we chose Podbardo as start, one more hour.
From the main peak of Veliki Karman we continue east to the slightly more scenic and perhaps even higher eastern peak, where the path turns left and begins to descend to the indistinct, easily accessible Corte peak (1679 m, WGS84: 46.2972°N, 13.1834°E), which it bypasses in an arc on the south side. We descend scenic through several indistinct rocky-meadow-dwarf pine ridge elevations to the slightly prominent Bukovnik (Monte Faeit, 1636 m, WGS84: 46.2977°N, 13.1911°E), the western guard of the Forcja d'Aiar notch (1481 m). From the notch a faint path leads us along a narrow, steep ridge to the top of Ambruž (Ambrusèit, 1640 m, WGS84: 46.2978°N, 13.2013°E; on Tabacco maps the peak is wrongly marked with 1523 m, as it actually has the same height as the further east Siroche Dolegne). To its scenic top we can't avoid a few rock steps.
Now the more demanding part of the tour begins. First we short but steeply descend and ascend several times through successive peaks. From the last one we descend a bit further over short rock steps to a slight flat, from where we continue along a wavy ridge now covered with dwarf pines, later also low trees, towards the cluttered top of Siroche Dolegne (1640 m, WGS84: 46.2968°N, 13.2063°E). From it the markings lead us to a good 10 m deep, exposed, crumbly notch. The descent is somewhat tedious due to scree, but reliable fixed protections help us.
The continuation is more pleasant: the path leads us through several indistinct elevations where we don't lose much height, to the drop of a larger, nearly 100 m long crumbly smooth rock slab (1625 m), which we cross along an exposed ledge. The path continues along the edge of a south-exposed, north dwarf pine-covered ridge interrupted by numerous smaller rock steps. In pleasant climbing we quickly descend, then turn right under the summit ridge of Siroche Gjaline (1581 m). This is quite steep, exposed, on the east side sheer cut and thus impassable. So along a faint track we continue traversing under its grassy slopes for about 400 m, until the path behind one of the numerous edges turns sharply left towards a steep gully. In the keys we climb through it back to the ridge, which further on is fairly narrow and sometimes steep and exposed. Along it we climb through several indistinct peaks to the steep top of Lanež (1629 m).
From its top we descend along the steep, grassy northeast slope, then turn right (Alta Via CAI Gemona actually goes straight through the valley and then through sparse forest to planina Tam za goro or Tasaòro, but since we need to return to the start, we don't follow it). Through sparse forest and dwarf pine belt along the ridge edge we climb to the top of Laški plaz (Monte Laschiplas, 1612 m). From it we descend over a few smaller rock steps and through dense dwarf pines to a larger rock slab and across it steeply up to Postovčič (1611 m), the last peak in the ridge. Follows descent to preval Dolina (Forcella Dolina, 1490 m), where we reach path CAI 729. This descends north to planina Tam za goro, but we continue right through a narrow notch along a very steep grassy slope to Podbardo. If we started in higher Breg, another arduous hour of walking awaits us.
klm29. 10. 2014 13:29:51
On Skabra you can find quite a few approaches, more or less obvious paths to it are plentiful. But, whoever knows them knows them, can share them on this forum with others or selfishly keep for himself (and his climbing circle - the latter applies to me). I'd also mention the approach to Visoka polica, which - although marked on the rock as II degree - requires after the gully normal I degree, at most the exit part might touch II.
Descent towards Rablj is already very eroded and definitely requires caution in such conditions.
I hope there will be as few conflicts as possible on the forum and debates as constructive as possible, i.e. for the benefit of users in the terrain, because this sniping is copy-paste of our parliamentarians and quite tedious for portal users to read.
klm14. 10. 2014 14:31:13
Correct is looking east of Vrtača: Zelenjak and then Palec. Competent map is Stol and Begunjščica, 1:25.000 PZS, 1986. Otherwise in Stanko Klinar guide section 542 for Zelenjak and 544 for Palec, and in Klemen Jansa guide section 509 to Zelenjak and 512 for Palec.
klm8. 10. 2014 08:22:58
KUKI77@ what record are you talking about?! In such an endeavor it's NOT about setting records!
Cveto, who first tackled this feat, wrote back in 2008 on TF: ".....For some years I had the desire to do all the 'main' two-thousanders in the Kamnik Alps in one day (24h).
I tackled this feat on Tuesday 14.10.2008. The feat almost fully succeeded, except both Kočen......"
Nowhere did he mention record time or anything like that!
Dejan alias Redbull then started to add competitive flavor. Cveto fell for it too, who then quickly 'cooked up' rules, partly visible in his last paragraph of the report on TF: "........PS. Dejan I hope the weather favors you, no injuries.
From what I read about your trainings I think you can go well under 20 hours. Yes, there's still quite some reserve. If you're a good mountain runner and fast on rock, then no problem to set an excellent time."
And here the story of records on this trail began.
Of course there were teases before (including mine), especially at Jure's expense, that the trail can be done in much shorter time than 20h (considering numerous factors that contribute), but nowhere was there any competitive vibe.
Before Cveto's rules publication on 7.8., predecessors didn't need to provide so many proofs, but mostly based on mutual trust and respect.
In short, back then the thing was almost pure, here now a series of nebulous thoughts are written.

According to Cveto's rules Dejan is still the "record holder" of the trail, if you want, although we all know it's a Pyrrhic victory.
For Klemen I know he's not into publicity, and I've never doubted his honesty!
klm7. 10. 2014 13:22:34
The topic is not open for invading the personal integrity of individuals, but to develop a constructive debate.
If I refer to the route rules that its "father" Jure Grmsek - Cveto quickly wrote, we can read the following:
"........For Grintovci, the rules are these:
-The route is done exclusively on
marked paths (exceptionally because of
possible snowfields).
-Start and finish at parking by Kalcit.
-Route in direction towards Velika
planina.
-Must photograph at start,
finish and all summits.
-At all these points must
photograph also the watch where the time is visible.
-At all summits must sign in
logbook and note time.
-Escorts allowed of course but
they don't have to be at all summits.
(I didn't have any except from Kalska gora
onwards).
-Poles allowed........."
I assume then photos need to be shown publicly (in media) as proof? If not, then you didn't complete the tour - or better with "record time" you're not "record holder"? Since I haven't seen Klemen's photos, GPS of route etc., then
Dejan, you are still the official "record holder" of the route!?!
Nowhere did I read that Klemen boasted about record time, numbers were written by others. From his report published on TF I'd highlight just a few sentences: "........Last two challenges I did well. But I'd like to say the following. People talk too much about records that aren't important at all, more important are stories happening in the background. Especially hanging out with sports friends who join me even if I invite them last day before departure. That means more to me than records and I know it will stay that way. To all who care more to beat others' time I say that's not my way. My joy is competing with myself and breaking records of my plans that I think I can run. If at the same time I break everyone's record it's irrelevant to me. I'm happy for every additional feat I do despite my injuries. Happy for everyone who takes similar endeavors because I know how it is to achieve goals you set, especially if you surprise yourself positively....."
that's the essence of all this.
         
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