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| NYG1. 09. 2018 20:57:53 |
No exaggeration. I also completed the SPP booklet quite early. Of course children are different and only parents know what children they have.
When my father first took me to the Alps, I immediately fell in love with this world and haven't got tired of it to this day.
Later he took my younger sister. She wasn't interested; later she didn't go to the mountains anymore and does other things in her free time.
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| zokipoki2. 09. 2018 09:02:52 |
I think SPP is not for children up to ten years old. Everything has its time, also the charm, and everything must be done gradually. I have already met children and parents in the mountains in inappropriate situations many times, e.g. a two-and-a-half-year-old boy whom his father was urging up Okrešelj, or a father who, with children in the evening in the dark on the way to Grintovec, was looking for a bivouac to sleep there. There's a lot of that. Just like parents irresponsibly handle the computer, they can do so in all areas, also in hiking. That's not normal for me, but really everyone has their own standards and everyone sees the world differently. Regards
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| zokipoki2. 09. 2018 09:30:13 |
I don't know why you opened the thread if you know everything and are completely convinced of yours. Nonsense. As I said, everyone their own way. Good luck!
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| mpp2. 09. 2018 09:31:23 |
10 years 
Part of SPP is also wonderful path through Pohorje hills 
Perfectly suitable for all young ones. Then slowly gradually further.
Important is that they have motivation and suitable company.
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| dprapr2. 09. 2018 10:13:16 |
I must say I admire everyone who has the will to do the whole trail. And if they do it with a child, even more so. Everything is also connected with costs, available time, not only knowledge of the path, walking technique and climbing and belaying.
In teenage years we wandered this path, but there on the coastal end we gave up mainly because of costs related to it. A bit also because we have similar hills nearby.
That one should wait with a child to the 10th year for SPP? My child didn't want to walk quite a few sections of the path at all, but chose only the more "gajstne" ones. When they ran out in Slovenia, we went to the neighbors. Of course around the 15th year we finished and he no longer held me for "kiklo".
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| zokipoki2. 09. 2018 10:25:48 |
I'll write like this: if a child has desire, enable him to realize it if possible; if not, don't force him into something not necessarily needed. Simple. That's how I think. I repeat once more, everyone their own. Mine don't go to church because I think it's not necessary. Same opinion about mountains. What must be must be, what not, not. Why should my children go with me to mountains and why not, is individual matter. Why should they do what I do?
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| zokipoki2. 09. 2018 13:14:33 |
Dear mountaineering friend, the topic title is children and mountains, not child rearing, and yes, children and mountains go wonderfully together. What, how and when everyone knows for themselves or maybe not. Nobody is gold. Lp
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| turbo3. 09. 2018 09:53:22 |
With children and norms it's often like this, as children read what's written on school doors. Those children to whom the approach is appropriate read "classroom" on the doors, those to whom it's less appropriate or even inappropriate read "torture chamber".
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| UB773. 09. 2018 10:58:22 |
I don't know why it seems to me that this topic is just endlessly bashing one person...
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| korl3. 09. 2018 11:06:08 |
Because it is.
If dad measured my belly fat thickness with calipers, I would measure his IQ. You can't force a child to become what you didn't manage.
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| GITA3. 09. 2018 13:12:42 |
@primoza: "Physically unprepared trip participant won't enjoy. So it's best to leave them at home."
...or maybe adjust the pace and choice of tour (length, difficulty etc...) to the weakest member?... especially when it comes to children...
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| JKr3. 09. 2018 13:24:52 |
Probably on the topic "overdoing or not", we won't find common ground, because you can't explain anything to some ... I won't comment anymore. But I had to speak up a few days ago, because constant accusations annoy me, how Žan got lost, or reading between lines, how mom is guilty he doesn't go to mountains anymore ... I fully understand him, mountains offended him, so what, there are many other things in the world!
That's all from me!
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| UB773. 09. 2018 13:32:51 |
Exactly!!! How does a 10-year-old feel when he "fails" dad's physical test and must stay home? Fat percentage up or down.....
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| miri3. 09. 2018 14:09:03 |
I thought only moms "spoil" sons.
(Sorry, moms).
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| korl3. 09. 2018 14:28:46 |
And from my concrete experiences I know just that Žan enjoyed mountains and sports most when well physically fit.
you judged that yourself instead of him...
he'll be eternally grateful you denied him the African adventure.
Successful Kili ascent many retirees do without issues, just gradually, which the schedule forces anyway allowing daily only to next hut. We had a 70yo lady in group who hiked only weekends and she made it.
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| Macesna3. 09. 2018 15:26:50 |
Maybe Žan was interested in safari too, not just Kilimanjaro summit in excellent time. Could wait in hut if too slow for peak.
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| jax3. 09. 2018 16:23:02 |
I'll say it like this: I allow the possibility that someone knows the family situation at Primož's even closer, otherwise we can all just speculate about things we don't really know at all.
To me it seems hardly comprehensible to set any condition on physical fitness for a ten-year-old for any activity, but as said - I wasn't there, so I can't comment on the specific situation.
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| Macesna3. 09. 2018 16:37:28 |
Well, for five days even one mountain, right?
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| lino3. 09. 2018 17:06:07 |
Primož, commendable! You're using some nice carrot and stick system. That's much better and health-wise appropriate way than looking at groups of young people who don't say a word to each other. They just stare at various screens and type like some idiots. Many of us support your advanced youth upbringing. Best!
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| darinka43. 09. 2018 17:32:16 |
Yeah, life takes strange paths. You can raise two children exactly the same, but it doesn't work out. Because they are too different. Love for mountains is in you. And you go, because it pulls you. No one ever forced me, far from that and far from mountains, at least 30 years ago when there were no cars yet. It was the train. Sežana - Jesenice. Regularly. We used that. Those who wanted to go to the mountains. I strayed a bit, but I think the point is said. And hope really dies last. Good luck.
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