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| turbo3. 09. 2018 17:40:46 |
The emphasis is on 100km and 2200 elevation gain, not on how they had fun, what nice things they talked about and what pleasant things they experienced. Right, Primož 
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| Mcgiver4. 09. 2018 00:16:44 |
Interesting debate... Every child is different in its own way and each has its own interests and hobbies. How much we manage to enthuse him for something and present it in a way interesting to him so that he will do it with pleasure is a matter of the individual, upbringing, family relationships, example, environment, family abilities and many more factors. But it's certainly an art that only shows long-term results how successful we were in our doing (read upbringing or leading). Unfortunately we don't always do everything right, because we ourselves are not perfect. That's why I don't think it's fair to judge someone, since we don't know the relationships and characters in the family, but I believe all parents want only the best for their children.....
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| ljubitelj gora4. 09. 2018 08:57:00 |
What if you stopped going to the mountains because you no longer saw the point in long and strenuous hikes and Žan still had interest
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| SamoK4. 09. 2018 09:48:12 |
The topic should have the title:
"Let's help Primož understand where he went wrong with his son, or at least assure him that he's not guilty of anything"
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| UB774. 09. 2018 10:16:01 |
New day, still beating on the same person!!! Dissecting your family relationships is not a thing for hribi.net!
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| SamoK4. 09. 2018 10:34:23 |
Primož, it doesn't really look like you want opinions that wouldn't be identical to yours. But if you want, here's advice: chill a bit, here and at home.
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| korl4. 09. 2018 12:04:03 |
@primoz Rarely have I been somewhat mistaken, but really rarely
Typical statement of someone who in reality "wants" to hear differently thinking ones.
And that about smart-assing on Kili.
There aren't few of us who were on its summit, but without making self-advertisement on the forum. So you don't have to make some super feat out of it, because it isn't. As you yourself already figured out between the lines, with Kili the biggest problem is the financial cost, not the mountain itself, which in no case should be underestimated as such. If you underestimate, you just don't need to go to Africa, because you can kill yourself at home on Stari grad too....
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| korl4. 09. 2018 13:03:55 |
Abramovich probably didn't have it as some life goal to walk up and down the mountain for 5 days, he went because he was there anyway and 500 dollars change for the ascent is nothing to him. After two days he realized it's much better for him on the yacht parked in the bay off Zanzibar. He probably wouldn't even make Brana, why would he bother?
Why did you open this thread, you'll know yourself, but we think what you think
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| Macesna4. 09. 2018 14:30:35 |
Isn't his name Roman Abramovich?
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| korl4. 09. 2018 14:42:06 |
expert like that - you dragged him to the forum, just like this thread
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| julius4. 09. 2018 18:11:58 |
primoza
If we disregard Abramoviča, let this help you that in the year I was on Kili, the famous athlete Martina Navratil couldn't manage the path to Kili. They took her down to the valley on a "marinerju", which aren't lacking at the individual stations.
korl
Whether you believe it or not, the percentage of those who reach the summit is under 40%.
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| gorolazka4. 09. 2018 18:58:13 |
Children and mountains are turning into adult children and Kili. Who can and who can't. Slovenes of course can, except the child Žan, whom they don't let join, famous foreigners naturally can't. Ego pumping, and not only from primoza.
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| turbo4. 09. 2018 19:46:46 |
I would never forgive myself until the end of my life if I left my child at home because of some norm. The time spent with him in Africa, conversations and experiences, would outweigh not just the summit, if we couldn't make it together; I wouldn't care even if it rained for three weeks straight. What will you talk about with Žan in your old age? If he even wants to talk to you! About how he didn't meet this or that norm, why he had to stay home and not visit Africa, which might have been his only chance? Are you perhaps able to go to the mountains with Ajda without a watch, without a detailed plan on how fast you have to complete the path so your ego is satisfied? If circumstances change, you look for all possible ways to find time for the child. And if you find it, you don't set norms for him, but do with him to the greatest extent what he wants. Even if it's a few hours sitting on the couch playing games on computer or TV. For his happiness and joy and if you love him, also for yours. Children are like playdough, everything "imprints" into them, childhood memory is incredible in terms of what they remember and ultimately also that they carry those memories with them until the end of their days. Both good and bad, both beautiful and ugly.
Žan, be independent and only your own, only then will your life be yours.
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| Mcgiver4. 09. 2018 21:39:56 |
Turbo, I sign under your post !! But I still think we don't know the details and relationships..... also why exactly Kili maybe isn't clear to me and not something easier TOGETHER ? But as said, if there's no full picture, judgment isn't justified, at least in my opinion. So primoža, everything in life always sorts itself out as it should, at least looking back.
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| lino4. 09. 2018 21:43:01 |
We advise something, smart-ass something, bother something, try to help something... But the final decision will be only yours or a smart compromise and conversation within the family.
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| Daaam4. 09. 2018 22:51:07 |
Why don't you adjust the vacation to his current abilities? Obviously he's badly offended because you scratched him.. if in December he was still doing 12-hour loops, in February when buying tickets he was no longer ok for Kili? That doesn't add up for me..
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| Trobec4. 09. 2018 22:57:29 |
Ah yeah, hribi.net is also turning into a reality show, where the monitored life of a certain family is followed...
Well, the last entry reveals that it was actually illness that took Kilimanjaro and all that referencing of laziness was actually a bone for gnawing. Really in the style of the best reality show scriptwriters.
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| korl5. 09. 2018 08:00:32 |
primoza, why do you even need vox populi from this forum?
It's obvious that no problem has arisen in this world that wasn't crystal clear to you in advance
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| Zebdi5. 09. 2018 08:42:31 |
Things are never black and white anyway
But seriously, what bothered me most in the whole topic was the term "trained five-year-old". Maybe a matter of semantics, but recreation is one thing, training as planned and systematic exercise aimed at improving results is something completely different. And to be clear - recreation is great, but setting standards for a child that many adults don't reach doesn't occur to me. It's not all about difficulty, achievements and comparing with others (there will be plenty of time for that later in life), for me it's more important that the child enjoys what he does. Without stress and pressure
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| Trobec5. 09. 2018 08:45:41 |
I wonder why we even have all that expensive diagnostics in healthcare, if it's so crystal clear what the one and only reason is that lays a 10-year-old in bed for a couple of weeks overnight. That he stops doing sports.
Good thing I'm still alive today, given that I neglected the mountains a lot in high school and at the beginning of college...
p.s. lifestyle change is not proof, because there's no representative sample on which one could conclude that. From a medical point of view, it sounds extremely unlikely that a child who is in the top 10% of his peers in fitness would suddenly get sick. Simply because he stopped doing sports. So I would first think of e.g. some infection? Maybe a drop in immunity due to stress?
I admit I don't know the circumstances in your family, nor am I curious to find out more, I just wanted to say that a lot of things don't add up in this story for me.
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