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| ljubitelj gora4. 09. 2018 08:57:00 |
What if you stopped going to the mountains because you no longer saw the point in long and strenuous hikes and Žan still had interest
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| SamoK4. 09. 2018 09:48:12 |
The topic should have the title:
"Let's help Primož understand where he went wrong with his son, or at least assure him that he's not guilty of anything"
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| UB774. 09. 2018 10:16:01 |
New day, still beating on the same person!!! Dissecting your family relationships is not a thing for hribi.net!
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| SamoK4. 09. 2018 10:34:23 |
Primož, it doesn't really look like you want opinions that wouldn't be identical to yours. But if you want, here's advice: chill a bit, here and at home.
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| korl4. 09. 2018 12:04:03 |
@primoz Rarely have I been somewhat mistaken, but really rarely
Typical statement of someone who in reality "wants" to hear differently thinking ones.
And that about smart-assing on Kili.
There aren't few of us who were on its summit, but without making self-advertisement on the forum. So you don't have to make some super feat out of it, because it isn't. As you yourself already figured out between the lines, with Kili the biggest problem is the financial cost, not the mountain itself, which in no case should be underestimated as such. If you underestimate, you just don't need to go to Africa, because you can kill yourself at home on Stari grad too....
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| korl4. 09. 2018 13:03:55 |
Abramovich probably didn't have it as some life goal to walk up and down the mountain for 5 days, he went because he was there anyway and 500 dollars change for the ascent is nothing to him. After two days he realized it's much better for him on the yacht parked in the bay off Zanzibar. He probably wouldn't even make Brana, why would he bother?
Why did you open this thread, you'll know yourself, but we think what you think
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| Macesna4. 09. 2018 14:30:35 |
Isn't his name Roman Abramovich?
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| korl4. 09. 2018 14:42:06 |
expert like that - you dragged him to the forum, just like this thread
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| julius4. 09. 2018 18:11:58 |
primoza
If we disregard Abramoviča, let this help you that in the year I was on Kili, the famous athlete Martina Navratil couldn't manage the path to Kili. They took her down to the valley on a "marinerju", which aren't lacking at the individual stations.
korl
Whether you believe it or not, the percentage of those who reach the summit is under 40%.
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| gorolazka4. 09. 2018 18:58:13 |
Children and mountains are turning into adult children and Kili. Who can and who can't. Slovenes of course can, except the child Žan, whom they don't let join, famous foreigners naturally can't. Ego pumping, and not only from primoza.
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| Mcgiver4. 09. 2018 21:39:56 |
Turbo, I sign under your post !! But I still think we don't know the details and relationships..... also why exactly Kili maybe isn't clear to me and not something easier TOGETHER ? But as said, if there's no full picture, judgment isn't justified, at least in my opinion. So primoža, everything in life always sorts itself out as it should, at least looking back.
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| lino4. 09. 2018 21:43:01 |
We advise something, smart-ass something, bother something, try to help something... But the final decision will be only yours or a smart compromise and conversation within the family.
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| Daaam4. 09. 2018 22:51:07 |
Why don't you adjust the vacation to his current abilities? Obviously he's badly offended because you scratched him.. if in December he was still doing 12-hour loops, in February when buying tickets he was no longer ok for Kili? That doesn't add up for me..
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| Trobec4. 09. 2018 22:57:29 |
Ah yeah, hribi.net is also turning into a reality show, where the monitored life of a certain family is followed...
Well, the last entry reveals that it was actually illness that took Kilimanjaro and all that referencing of laziness was actually a bone for gnawing. Really in the style of the best reality show scriptwriters. 
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| korl5. 09. 2018 08:00:32 |
primoza, why do you even need vox populi from this forum?
It's obvious that no problem has arisen in this world that wasn't crystal clear to you in advance
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| Zebdi5. 09. 2018 08:42:31 |
Things are never black and white anyway
But seriously, what bothered me most in the whole topic was the term "trained five-year-old". Maybe a matter of semantics, but recreation is one thing, training as planned and systematic exercise aimed at improving results is something completely different. And to be clear - recreation is great, but setting standards for a child that many adults don't reach doesn't occur to me. It's not all about difficulty, achievements and comparing with others (there will be plenty of time for that later in life), for me it's more important that the child enjoys what he does. Without stress and pressure
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| Trobec5. 09. 2018 08:45:41 |
I wonder why we even have all that expensive diagnostics in healthcare, if it's so crystal clear what the one and only reason is that lays a 10-year-old in bed for a couple of weeks overnight. That he stops doing sports.
Good thing I'm still alive today, given that I neglected the mountains a lot in high school and at the beginning of college...
p.s. lifestyle change is not proof, because there's no representative sample on which one could conclude that. From a medical point of view, it sounds extremely unlikely that a child who is in the top 10% of his peers in fitness would suddenly get sick. Simply because he stopped doing sports. So I would first think of e.g. some infection? Maybe a drop in immunity due to stress?
I admit I don't know the circumstances in your family, nor am I curious to find out more, I just wanted to say that a lot of things don't add up in this story for me.
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| gorolazka5. 09. 2018 09:25:04 |
What bothered me most, primoza, is this - he doesn't go with you on vacation to Africa, doesn't go with you for three weeks on vacation to Tyrol, and you're surprised that then Žan doesn't want any more contact with you?
And if you type that he wants to do mountain biking, but you don't know enough about it, start working on getting to know the mountain biking sport better and neglect the mountains and climbing a bit... Do something for your child while he is, if he is, willing to give you a chance.
I strongly hope that Žan doesn't read this forum.
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| SamoK5. 09. 2018 09:38:09 |
OK, Primož, you're not guilty at all that Žan is such a lazy bum and malcontent. He only has himself to blame because he didn't obey you in your wisdom.
Are you satisfied now? Come on GMAH!!!
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| UB775. 09. 2018 09:55:19 |
I also look at the matter from the same perspective as gorolazka. You excluded Žan from the "perfect family lineup", as you like to write in your posts. Now you're publicly gossiping here about his life, feelings and family relationships. But you don't reflect on the fact that he's still just a CHILD, sensitive due to changed family circumstances, but you amplify that by constantly excluding him from your family life because he has a couple of extra kilos of fat. That says quite a bit about you as a father, especially since you wrote in one of the previous posts that you're no longer responsible for him. As a father you're responsible for him your whole life!!!! And that means you don't drag him to the mountains if he doesn't feel like it, but take him e.g. for pizza. A child is not a machine that you discard when it no longer performs as well as you expect!
Let Žan enjoy life as he wants, I believe he will still go to the mountains, but not under the conditions you set for him. I advise you to stop being smart, take your "perfect family lineup" to some via ferrata and post sweaty selfies that we all love to see so much!
No hard feelings.
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