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SamoK16. 07. 2021 09:57:15
djimuzl, what Janša and his minions are doing has seeds of fascism, but it's relatively amateurish. Moreover, Slovenian fascists were never strong enough on their own to do anything serious, they always needed some bigger support from outside.
In short, as long as Janša doesn't have some serious force that would enable him more than yapping, no need to fear.
On the other hand, it's true that political options in Slovenia don't inspire too much joy.
Only complete political illiterates dream of putting all current politicians against the wall and letting new, young forces show what they can do.
That would be the real catastrophe!
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Becar16. 07. 2021 10:04:23
Samo, obviously you're no longer a Primorec for a long time. They don't like such there, sadly. Well, that's probably why you went to Betnava nasmeh There you fit in better. If you meant me with swamp guy.....god forbid, you won't drag me alive into VanSims' and Primož's broader region velik nasmeh I somehow endured faculty, now I have enough of frog stuff forever! mežikanje
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SamoK16. 07. 2021 10:06:08
I've been for a long time and will be for a long time mežikanje
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Becar16. 07. 2021 11:03:02
Only, what have we learned from history. Those who haven't forgotten what they taught us and what the elders told us. Fascism must be nipped in the bud. We succeeded now, although we reached quite a critical breaking point (thinking about locking people in special institutions without proof of illness and mandatory vaccination with experimental vaccines against 0.2% mortality disease). If we hadn't succeeded at this point....better not think. Some just take longer to get it, what's actually happening. But I always believed in success.

We already had many signs of fascism, let's remember a bit; pressures on media freedom, insulting journalists, establishing propaganda media, curfew, strengthening police repression, discrimination of differently minded, insults to critics, journalists, paying various "Koprivs" from Trstenjak for fascist propaganda under different nicknames, attempts to subordinate police, courts, placing their own in investigative bodies, connecting and winking with other autocratic states, curtailing rights of differently minded, firing differently minded, enormous cadre changes in leading positions of state companies under the slogan - important that it's ours, financial connections with criminals from abroad, placing their ardent fanatics in expert groups, Urbanija - STA story, provoking people and attack on journalists by the minister with special forces escort, creating conflicts in all areas of life. I often remember that traffic warden hunt for children in Kranj, that was really creepy.

Already on the first day of EU presidency, practically the entire EU saw this Slovenian shame, insults to high EU representatives, in short I didn't think we could shame and ridicule ourselves so much in Europe and the world as we actually did.

And what have we achieved now. We showed all the above and Europe that this is not Slovenia, these people are far from Slovenian values and we can hardly wait for them to be dragged to the trash heap of history!
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Majdag16. 07. 2021 11:41:41

Every smile counts..nasmeh
- Every smile counts1
- Every smile counts2
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Becar16. 07. 2021 12:01:42
Pantani1, report back, how was the vaccination, side effects etc.... mežikanje Now they say you can just go to a supermarket, apparently no need to book anymore. Drink a coffee, some relaxing music, meanwhile they jab you with experimental vaccine nasmeh Lp
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VanSims16. 07. 2021 12:35:24
"thinking about locking people in special institutions without proof of illness"

I don't know where you got that from, but I have to warn you that we already have something similar, which is a legacy of the former one-party rule of your political idols (well, it was similar in the West back then too - One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest for example), and that same clique introduced it into a new law that was created already in independent Slovenia.

It's another health law, specifically the Mental Health Act, which says that someone can be locked in an appropriate institution just on the basis that they are a danger to themselves. I don't say if dangerous to others - that should be the only exception when a patient can be hospitalized without their consent (by the way, even for a really serious infectious disease it should be like that - not covid, so you don't explode at me right away).

But locking a person just because they are a danger to themselves? Today, unique in the EU, maybe some new member has it, probably Russia, Turkey, ... about China and Kim's land no doubt.

In addition, the law still allows treatment with electroconvulsive therapy (commonly electroshocks), which from the perspective of world psychiatry is hardly less outdated than medieval ducking stools, chaining, ice water immersion, locking in cages ... and other methods of treating 'possessed by evil spirits' as they called them then.

I know all this by chance because it happened to a friend and I didn't believe him that such a law exists. Well, I went to check. Of course a judge has to decide, but in 99% of cases believes psychiatrists, police or whoever submits the proposal. And once they get you, it's hard to get out and if you do, very quickly back in.

That's FASCHISM. Has any of you who advocate so much for human rights ever protested, raised a voice? No!
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Becar16. 07. 2021 12:58:34
For those who can't find sources themselves:
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"The law even states that quarantine can be ordered 'in other ways'. Such a provision is a mockery of constitutionality and legal doctrine. This introduces an unprecedented police state: a healthy citizen can be reported to the police without much trouble even by a not very well-meaning 'neighbor,' claiming that he had a 'high-risk contact' with the reported citizen, or by claiming that some person had such contact with another person. Legally outrageous and unsustainable. Nowhere is even defined what the mentioned term means at all. Not only doors are opening, the wall protecting people from politically motivated deprivation of personal freedom is being demolished - healthy people."

"It even legalizes deprivation of personal freedom at a distance of a few meters from home! The minister will decide about this – he will grant and deprive personal freedom. With this amendment, the political authorities can lock us in isolation camps. A slight cold would suffice for that. Sorry, that's not true, the political authorities can do this to a healthy person without a slight cold! It would suffice that someone 'reports' someone, claiming that someone was in 'risky contact' with someone!"

"In Article 46.a of ZNB, the second paragraph is amended to read: 'When carrying out supervision of measures from the first paragraph of Article 39 of this law, which fall under the competence of other ministries, the competent inspector has the right and duty: - to restrict or prohibit movement of persons for whom it is established or SUSPECTED that they have contracted a certain infectious disease; - to restrict or prohibit gatherings in accordance with point 3 of the first paragraph of Article 39, until the danger of spreading the infectious disease ceases; - to restrict or prohibit trade of certain types of goods and provision of services; - to order other measures and perform acts for which he is authorized by law or other regulation.'
Established or SUSPECTED! Sapienti sat!"
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Becar16. 07. 2021 13:00:09
Van, better skip topics you have no clue about or pretend to be dumb in the style of your idols, because as a nation we've figured you out, so from statement to statement with justifying unconstitutional measures you just make yourself more ridiculous nasmeh

And you would just have ISOLATION CAMPS. Are you nuts?
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Becar16. 07. 2021 13:20:37
And that your lying propaganda how nice it is to see queues for vaccination these days, here you have the truth from one of the few uncorrupted media. Million vaccines too many, vaccination has almost stopped. So you and Primož can get vaccinated like junkies, there are more than enough vaccines!

link
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VanSims16. 07. 2021 14:16:17
I already said above that this law is not ideal and introduces some really excessive powers, although not quite as fascist as you want to portray. Unlike you, I give credit to the other side too. Anyway, the law has fallen anyway and there's no point barking about it anymore.

Primož and I are already vaccinated, on the other hand it's logical that vaccination hasn't stopped because people are going on vacations. True though, I'm worried if this enthusiasm will last until September. Well, I think we'll reach at least about 60%. That with about 30% recovered should suffice i.e. about 70-80 protected (doesn't add up because there's intersection between both sets, that's also answer to someone who a couple posts ago claimed we're already over-vaccinated (-infected)).

What you pasted as a picture is probably again some fake, like there were many from you anti-vaxxers (covid and general ones).
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Becar16. 07. 2021 15:18:05
Not that it's not ideal, it's fascist and unconstitutional!

Your experts already said last year that the number of infected is by estimates 4x higher than official statistics. So don't worry, covid-fearers are already saved even by statistics. That's why I say, don't worry too much about vaccination of the rest of us, who by no logic can overload healthcare anymore or harm your health.

Unless it's the same picture as in Israel, which Primož took as a model, sharp rise in infections, but 50% double-vaccinated in hospitals.
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Becar16. 07. 2021 18:57:47
Well, pity I say anything, you're making the biggest shame to yourself with such statements. That's what I was talking about. Primož embodies everything I wrote about today, Van is that type who says this shit doesn't stink, it just has a slightly less pleasant smell nasmeh
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VanSims16. 07. 2021 19:01:41
@Becar, you're just that type of person (not the first I've run into), who suffers from the syndrome "I am always right, even if I'm not". That's what you're accusing one of your opponents of. Perhaps even better said "I have the last word, even if I humiliate myself to no end!"
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Becar16. 07. 2021 19:49:55
Nice that former enemies are befriending each other like this nasmeh How did Cerar put it peace love bok mežikanje
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VanSims16. 07. 2021 20:13:22
Becar, you know me well enough that when something is 'shit' I say it straight. Even on my blog.

In Switzerland e.g. from where I just came, food in the store is indeed about twice as expensive as here, but the quality is oho ho, which I noticed already on previous visits to the country.

And then you see that what they sell in our stores is really SHIT! nasmeh
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Becar16. 07. 2021 20:56:43
Well you're a cool guy, here I'd take a step back, sprinkle ashes on myself, unblock you from block list and add you back on FB. Let this be the year of love velik nasmeh

P.S.: forgot about burying the war axe velik nasmehvelik nasmeh
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VanSims17. 07. 2021 09:17:20
If I comment a bit on what you pasted:

1. Last year's first wave started in March and already ended in July. Measures were much stricter than this year. So it lasted only three months while now we have the whole winter season behind us i.e. more infected who carry the disease forward.

2. Delta is raging, which is approx. 60% more infectious than alpha, that one 100% more than the original variant that raged last year. So approx. 160% more contagious virus

3. Here now finally the failure of AstraZeneca is visible with which they got vaccinated the most, while we also with other higher quality vaccines. Astra offers some 60% protection, while all other vaccines approx. 80 and some percent more effective against delta variant.

That's what they have now for stealing Astra from whole Europe!
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zavest17. 07. 2021 11:43:02
These days many have signed up or got vaccinated also because of new or upcoming tightenings related to work and crossing borders. I welcome any reason for vaccination, because with that we are responsible to ourselves, others and the society we live in. Even if someone got vaccinated only for travel, so what? As if before the epidemic there was no vaccination e.g. against yellow fever exclusively for travel purposes.

Not everyone uses seatbelt for the same reason, some buckle up only because they have to. Some don't at all and besides fines risk even worse consequences in case of accidents.

That's the freedom of choice that Bećar and similar stubborn like-minded have in the form of regular testing, which will become self-paid in August. Just like smokers still have the option to puff smoke outside closed public spaces. Just like in some places with unvaccinated children who are not entitled to public kindergartens.

But we are still waiting for Bećar's comment, who in the style of autocrats "ja ne priznajem ovaj sud" vehemently rejects statistics on excess deaths (remind, there were 3,795 last year or almost 19% more), ignores the metric of mortality per 1000 inhabitants he loves so much (crude death rate), which I mentioned last time.

Again, final data from Statistical Office of Slovenia:
2019: 9.9 deaths/1000 inhabitants
2020: 11.4 deaths/1000 inhabitants
Increase: 15.15 %

Link
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gorolazka17. 07. 2021 12:28:07
Some are vaccinated but don't use seatbelt. Neither they nor closest relatives. They even publish it. Now all calculate probability, what it is, that he dies in accident due to not buckling or corona
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