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| SamoK22. 07. 2021 16:05:29 |
For example, slavery, which the Greeks knew, and no political rights for women.
Yes, that obviously suits you.
I'm talking about modern (I emphasized), European (I emphasized) democracy.
But look, you're right, because I know otherwise you'll cry for another week.
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| lino22. 07. 2021 16:11:56 |
Becar >Even proverbially phlegmatic canadian cancan Lino got pissed with complaints.
I didn't get pissed. Far from it. I just lowered myself to the level of your confused, offensive and overbearing pumpkin. You don't understand fine words. 
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| Becar22. 07. 2021 16:16:39 |
Haha what nonsense under the guise of deep philosophical discussions.
Yes, democracy is the will of the people, there are several types of democracies though. Current government with its approach achieved the biggest promotion of DIRECT democracy, which could follow soon. And direct democracy is NOT tied to fascism as Samo would like. That means people can directly kick out the deputies and that would suit us very well right now. However you twist and make fool of yourself, the nation is always RIGHT.
Van has become even bigger extremist than Primoza. He would like to see that about our fate decides government without national support, i.e. with support of some extremist minority to which he belongs too. And here I agree with Samuel for the first time that this is fascism.
That is, government has support of around 20% of the nation, acts against the wishes of the nation and in contradiction to legally binding EU acts. What can be worse? Ah just lobotomy, isolation camps, prisons for differently thinking. And that would develop too if we don't stop them, which shows very well that we will
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| SamoK22. 07. 2021 16:24:16 |
>This means that people can directly kick out the MPs
If I understand correctly, you mean bypassing elections.
First time I've heard of this form of democracy...
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| VanSims22. 07. 2021 16:27:39 |
"the biggest promotion of DIRECT democracy, which could follow soon."
Dream on, only the extreme Left advocates for that here, living in their dreamed-up utopian world.
"He would like to see a government without popular support deciding our fate, that is, supported by some extremist minority to which he himself belongs."
The government was formed by the mandatary of the party with the highest percentage of support in the elections and was composed of parties whose vote shares covered the majority. Period. Democratic!
How it works will be decided by people at the elections.
Yeah, you'll say now, DESUS left, but their MPs still support the government, some SMS MPs left the coalition, the government no longer has a majority ...
Whether it was time for the government to resign or not will again be decided by people, as with these turncoats, namely at elections again. If people are sheep and vote for them again (in Austria, for example, no chance for turncoats) that's something else. Then don't complain.
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| julius22. 07. 2021 16:32:54 |
Becar
If you look at LINO's photos, it's immediately clear who you're dealing with.
You know, the devil is in the details!
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| SamoK22. 07. 2021 16:36:00 |
Yes, that's the most tragic of all. Democracy is a weak system, so scoundrels like Trump, Orban and Janša exploit it to the fullest.
We have an additional problem in that most politicians are complete amateurs. Janša is unfortunately among the more capable ones. That doesn't mean he does a good job, so no one misinterprets that. But he's an excellent political chess player, while his political opponents haven't even decided whether to play cards or dominoes.
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| Becar22. 07. 2021 16:37:30 |
Julius haha, so my detective instinct works after all. One of their family, who could it be? The new wife? Primož as I said? One of the kids? In any case, totally insane!!!
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| Becar22. 07. 2021 16:45:22 |
Samo, nice that you admit you haven't heard of something yet. Direct democracy in various forms exists for example in Iceland, in Estonia. Iceland was a country that during the economic crisis from 2008 onwards got into a severe crisis precisely because of such thieves as we have. Corruption, mega thefts of state money etc. The proverbially cool Icelanders then said STOP, introduced direct democracy, locked up the thieves. And what's the result? Practically no corruption, the country flourishes in all areas, some went to play piano as a lesson to potential successors.
Van, I didn't know that udbomafia influenced direct democracy in Iceland too aaahahahaha
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| SamoK22. 07. 2021 16:47:40 |
I haven't heard of many things yet 
But can you please give me a source on how exactly the Icelanders removed parliament members bypassing elections.
So I won't embarrass myself again.
Thanks.
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| SamoK22. 07. 2021 16:58:25 |
They didn't.
The Icelandic parliament is one of the oldest in the world and Icelanders respect it very very much.
You were talking about throwing out the current parliament with direct democracy. That doesn't work in Europe.
That's your big problem - you talk in triples, just so you're not silent.
Otherwise, Slovenia also has a high level of direct democracy. It's called referendum and recently showed the will of the majority.
But you can't get rid of the parliament with that.
One could say "too bad" in the current situation, but that would lead to chaos.
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| Becar22. 07. 2021 17:03:09 |
Samo, direct democracy among other things also gives the option to recall MPs. I told you, whatever a country decides. Referendum is no high level of democracy, because it's a quite complicated procedure of prehistoric collecting signatures on PAPER in two phases and then with us still prehistoric visiting polling stations and throwing paper into baskets. Of course on purpose here, because they fear that once young people start voting, all communists and jansists go to the dump.
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| SamoK22. 07. 2021 17:05:19 |
Becar and primoza:
Everything you write is absolute truth. You always have it right about everything.
Even when you don't, you do.
OK?
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| Becar22. 07. 2021 17:06:36 |
I don't always have it right. I've already retracted some statement here and apologized. For primoza I don't know...
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| redbull22. 07. 2021 17:34:49 |
I see that corona is still alive, as long as this topic is relevant, I know corona is still here
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| VanSims22. 07. 2021 18:40:22 |
What kind of direct democracy in Iceland and Estonia??? Oh, Icelanders did a mini revolution and ousted the elite. But that's still not direct democracy. Parliament still decides everything, just probably in a much different composition.
Estonia has electronic voting, that's all. Instead of going to the polling station, you vote from home. That's not direct democracy.
If you'd at least mentioned Switzerland, where with their numerous referendums they have some embryo of direct democracy or the most among European countries. But first they have money for it there, second they have referendums on important matters (and of course local cantonal ones), not every time some prick gets excited so he can jerk off to the result for years.
"Direct democracy can also be that when the people sense 800 million for the army half-half (equipment - private pockets), they sit at the computer, outvote with a few clicks and the corrupt gang has long noses."
They won't introduce this anywhere. Why is clear to every child. Politics is completely something else than the greens in Levica and =null imagine, who has never even been in it. This isn't on communist but utopian basis.
"I could say 'sorry' in the current situation, but that would lead to chaos."
Well, you probably understand why this can't play out long-term.
"direct democracy among other things also gives the option to recall MPs."
Oh, isn't it that in direct democracy there's no parliament at all, but people decide everything from the armchair with computer keys?
And everyone has some 500-600 EUR basic income, for more you work some 3-4 hours a day.
Brave new world where money grows on trees!
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| Becar22. 07. 2021 19:17:17 |
I started reading the essay but after the first paragraph realized I'd rather go for a swim
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| VanSims22. 07. 2021 21:06:41 |
I thought it would be too hard. Didn't expect you to (probably with effort) even reach the end of the first paragraph. Anyway others read the forum too, told you I don't write posts specially for you.
You proved you don't master much of what you explain. Fascism, excess deaths, ... Not even basic education concepts, even what you should know from your (alleged) field.
Anyway you're not even worthy of 'antivaxer' title, just a regular troll jerking off on this forum, corona gave you opportunity, antivax is just excuse.
The top is you don't even have idea about or how basically the thing you advocate should function. That definitively scrapes the bottom of your credibility barrel.
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